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<blockquote data-quote="Setanta" data-source="post: 268440" data-attributes="member: 2183"><p>I'm not sure how I answered my own question about dual-statting. When you're playing a game, its market share certainly isn't important. However, when producing material for one, publishers generally take market share into consideration. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, instead of an adventure being 64 pages for $14 with approximately 6 pages being "wasted" (on D20 for you and LA for me), would you still be interested in the product if it was 128 pages for $25, with half the book taken up by stats for systems you don't play? There comes a point where enough it too much, and for me it's paying for any space for a system I don't play. Obviously you have more tolerance for paying for material you won't use. I hope you enjoy the adventure. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I think we're differing on semantics here. To me, factors like idea milking, future hooks, campaign play hours spawned, etc., all figure into "quality" (along with stuff like how fun is the adventure, how much easier does it make my life as DM, etc.). That quality is then measured against price to determine value as I see it. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Good point, however, I think there is a difference between the name Gary Gygax by itself, and the name Gary Gygax plus D&D (which D20 is certainly close enough). Personally, I don't like his writing style, so I plan to stay away from anything that is an exposition (CC seems to have had plenty). I'll keep an open mind to his adventures, though, but not this one given the value I perceive it to have. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not laying the blame on the dual stats. I'm just saying that price/perceived value was a common complaint, and the pages used on LA stats factored into those complaints. I agree that the poor layout was a more common complaint. I don't know why someone would complain about the Cant, though. That was the point of the book, which is why I never considered buying it. I don't need or want a Cant dictionary, so the product simply wasn't for me. I hear the city design stuff is good, but I doubt I'll ever get a chance to read it. Even when the local WotC store someday puts its excess copies on sale for 50% off (they order way too many copies of everything), I won't be buying this product.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Setanta, post: 268440, member: 2183"] I'm not sure how I answered my own question about dual-statting. When you're playing a game, its market share certainly isn't important. However, when producing material for one, publishers generally take market share into consideration. Anyway, instead of an adventure being 64 pages for $14 with approximately 6 pages being "wasted" (on D20 for you and LA for me), would you still be interested in the product if it was 128 pages for $25, with half the book taken up by stats for systems you don't play? There comes a point where enough it too much, and for me it's paying for any space for a system I don't play. Obviously you have more tolerance for paying for material you won't use. I hope you enjoy the adventure. I think we're differing on semantics here. To me, factors like idea milking, future hooks, campaign play hours spawned, etc., all figure into "quality" (along with stuff like how fun is the adventure, how much easier does it make my life as DM, etc.). That quality is then measured against price to determine value as I see it. Good point, however, I think there is a difference between the name Gary Gygax by itself, and the name Gary Gygax plus D&D (which D20 is certainly close enough). Personally, I don't like his writing style, so I plan to stay away from anything that is an exposition (CC seems to have had plenty). I'll keep an open mind to his adventures, though, but not this one given the value I perceive it to have. I'm not laying the blame on the dual stats. I'm just saying that price/perceived value was a common complaint, and the pages used on LA stats factored into those complaints. I agree that the poor layout was a more common complaint. I don't know why someone would complain about the Cant, though. That was the point of the book, which is why I never considered buying it. I don't need or want a Cant dictionary, so the product simply wasn't for me. I hear the city design stuff is good, but I doubt I'll ever get a chance to read it. Even when the local WotC store someday puts its excess copies on sale for 50% off (they order way too many copies of everything), I won't be buying this product. [/QUOTE]
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