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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EntropyDecay" data-source="post: 832239" data-attributes="member: 10652">The "flaming" and "keen" greatswords were bought and the +1 flaming longsword was a treasure. It is a special longsword called Sunrazor but its other abilities were not used/not useful in the combat so I just referred to it as a +1 flaming longsword [other abilities: light 30 ft radius, paladin only: searing light 1/day (caster level 9th)].Side Note: I believe the whole "We want the cool abilities" thing began, when they met the gravewight Saithnar in "The Standing Stones". He and the paladin had a honor duel [not to the death] and the party was impressed by the high damage output of the +1 frost greatsword of the undead. When the paladin then found Sunrazor with its flaming ability in the following adventure... You can figure out the rest. A Narzugon has the baatezu qualities which include: fire immunity and cold resistance 20. It is not of the fire subtype. I agree, the paladin and cleric have knowledge(religion) which could have mentionend something about Narzugons in ancient holy texts and the illusionist has knowledge(the planes) so he could know of the typical qualities of devils. But the whole report of the ranger was something like: "There is a strange man in a spiked full plate upstairs. With him is a mean looking boar with red glowing eyes." Since the characters had until this point no knowledge of the involvement of devils, I decided that this was too less information to know that this "man" was in fact a devil and to know the exact type of devil. He knows that his characters death was his fault and is not very upset about it. All we had later was a discussion and no argument. A bit tragic is that phantasmal killer is a fear effect and the presence of the paladin would have given the other characters a saving throw bonus. Perhaps they would have made it...Both players have decided to start new characters (House rule: Average party level - 1). A quest to raise the two characters would be problematic because [SPOILER for "The Jackal's Redemption"] they are investigating the abduction of citizens by Xill that use the town as a resource gathering spot for their breeding chambers. And with each day they wait more and more people disappear and since the party alignment is the spectrum between LG and CG...Chris</blockquote>

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