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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3279882" data-attributes="member: 4937">No, it isn't.&nbsp; But a one-on-one exchange of hits is in many cases linearly related to the CR of the monster.&nbsp; As you yourself note, CR is supposed to measure what is expected to happen in a combat.&nbsp; A 4-1 combat is not nearly as different from a 1 on 1 combat as you claim.&nbsp; It's not the same as the difference between length and radiation.&nbsp; Just because you can make absurd analogies like that doesn't make them valid.&nbsp; As long as we are making analogies, it's more like the difference between length and volume.&nbsp; Agreed, but let me note that I'm the one that was noting that when the defenders of the CR system claimed that an 8th level NPC fighter had an assumed 15k gp of equipment.&nbsp; Either way, it doesn't bring the 8th level fighters CR up to 8 (even twinking out the NPC fighter with things like guantlets of ogre power only brought it up to about CR 7 at best).I'm beginning to think that those that claim CR is anything more than a rough and usually faulty guideline have limited playing experience, and even if they don't, thier belief arrives from a having about the same perceptiveness as a brick.&nbsp; But, perhaps I should avoid hasty broad negative generalizations, don't you think?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3279882, member: 4937"] No, it isn't. But a one-on-one exchange of hits is in many cases linearly related to the CR of the monster. As you yourself note, CR is supposed to measure what is expected to happen in a combat. A 4-1 combat is not nearly as different from a 1 on 1 combat as you claim. It's not the same as the difference between length and radiation. Just because you can make absurd analogies like that doesn't make them valid. As long as we are making analogies, it's more like the difference between length and volume. Agreed, but let me note that I'm the one that was noting that when the defenders of the CR system claimed that an 8th level NPC fighter had an assumed 15k gp of equipment. Either way, it doesn't bring the 8th level fighters CR up to 8 (even twinking out the NPC fighter with things like guantlets of ogre power only brought it up to about CR 7 at best). I'm beginning to think that those that claim CR is anything more than a rough and usually faulty guideline have limited playing experience, and even if they don't, thier belief arrives from a having about the same perceptiveness as a brick. But, perhaps I should avoid hasty broad negative generalizations, don't you think? [/QUOTE]

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