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<blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 3279913" data-attributes="member: 6183">Agreed. However, when you're comparing two meele-oriented creatures, seeing how they perform in meele against each other is a good test of whether or not they're in the same &quot;range&quot; power-wise as many here are claiming they are. Of course, you have to allow for some discrepancy - but like I said, a stone giant can kill six 8th level DMG fighters in a row without having to rest or heal. That's a lot more than just &quot;some&quot; discrepancy.Sure. Or he could just as easily be an elf and have even less hit points. And in my calculations, I gave him Exotic Weapon Proficiency and Weapon Specialization, so that's three feats right there.And with the exception of the necklace of fireballs, the stone giant can do everything you listed above much better than the fighter can. He's better at sundering because he does more damage, and he's better at disarming and tripping because he has a longer reach.No matter how you slice it, the 8th level DMG fighter and the stone giant are not even close in terms of power.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grog, post: 3279913, member: 6183"] Agreed. However, when you're comparing two meele-oriented creatures, seeing how they perform in meele against each other is a good test of whether or not they're in the same "range" power-wise as many here are claiming they are. Of course, you have to allow for some discrepancy - but like I said, a stone giant can kill [b]six[/b] 8th level DMG fighters in a row without having to rest or heal. That's a lot more than just "some" discrepancy. Sure. Or he could just as easily be an elf and have even less hit points. And in my calculations, I gave him Exotic Weapon Proficiency and Weapon Specialization, so that's three feats right there. And with the exception of the necklace of fireballs, the stone giant can do everything you listed above much better than the fighter can. He's better at sundering because he does more damage, and he's better at disarming and tripping because he has a longer reach. No matter how you slice it, the 8th level DMG fighter and the stone giant are not even close in terms of power. [/QUOTE]

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