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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3281325" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>You are free to assume whatever you want. No one can't stop anyone else from assuming whatever they want to assume, no matter how completely silly it is.</p><p></p><p>For example, I am free to assume that you are so stung with embarassment for not having understood the obvious relationship between 4:1 and 1:1 that you feel the need to make some snarky attack on my character and DMing maturity instead of admitting that I might have had a point. If I assumed that, then you could really do nothing to convince me my assumption was false because I'm free to hide behind my assumptions like a indurate tower shield of proof against learning just like anyone else is. That's just the nature of making assumptions.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, you can stop making assumptions and notice that since what is under discussion is in fact whether the difficulty of a combat challenge can be concretely measured, it makes sense to assume that the challenge is a concrete one. Naturally, a monster of any CR can in theory be avoided or negotatied with and so forth, but such larger game concerns don't influence our choice of CR since they depend on assumptions about how such monsters will be used (for example that Deva's will be friendly or Orcs hostile) which are not consistant between campaigns or even situations. It's up to the DM to decide whether such alternative approaches to a challenge warrant story awards or not, and whether in such cases the CR of the monster is a good guide to the size of the story award, but all of that has rather little directly to do with the topic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3281325, member: 4937"] You are free to assume whatever you want. No one can't stop anyone else from assuming whatever they want to assume, no matter how completely silly it is. For example, I am free to assume that you are so stung with embarassment for not having understood the obvious relationship between 4:1 and 1:1 that you feel the need to make some snarky attack on my character and DMing maturity instead of admitting that I might have had a point. If I assumed that, then you could really do nothing to convince me my assumption was false because I'm free to hide behind my assumptions like a indurate tower shield of proof against learning just like anyone else is. That's just the nature of making assumptions. On the other hand, you can stop making assumptions and notice that since what is under discussion is in fact whether the difficulty of a combat challenge can be concretely measured, it makes sense to assume that the challenge is a concrete one. Naturally, a monster of any CR can in theory be avoided or negotatied with and so forth, but such larger game concerns don't influence our choice of CR since they depend on assumptions about how such monsters will be used (for example that Deva's will be friendly or Orcs hostile) which are not consistant between campaigns or even situations. It's up to the DM to decide whether such alternative approaches to a challenge warrant story awards or not, and whether in such cases the CR of the monster is a good guide to the size of the story award, but all of that has rather little directly to do with the topic. [/QUOTE]
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