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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 3281459" data-attributes="member: 2067">By including a level 8 wizard in an encounter against a CR 8 monster, and by making sure level 8 wizards have access to the "fly" spell, the CR/EL system takes into account a much more vast region of options than hit points, AC, and attack bonus.By assuming there's a level 8 cleric in the encounter, it also accounts for healing.By assuming there's a level 8 rogue in the encounter, it also accounts for fairly regular sneak attack damage.And all those party members will get to use their full round of actions, while in the same amount of time, the giant can whack the fighter once. This is one instance of reality that D&D models fairly decently: a four-on-one battle is not a fair fight. And CR accounts for four-on-one battles, not one-on-one battles.No, evidence that the system simply doesn't work would come from throwing an 8th level party against both creatures and seeing how the creatures consume that party's rescources. Showing that the stone giant is a better melee fighter than the 8th level NPC fighter doesn't provide evidence that is useful for CR calculations.</blockquote>