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<blockquote data-quote="Grog" data-source="post: 3282544" data-attributes="member: 6183">I agree that tweaking a stone giant the way you describe would probably boost its CR by one. However, giving exactly the same feats/equipment/tactics to the fighter would not, IMO, make him CR 9. Doesn't that tell you something right there?Wait. The fighter you're listing here is significantly tougher than the one in the DMG. I think it's best if we compare creatures straight out of the book - after all, it's not a fair comparison if you're comparing a tweaked-to-the-gills fighter with a troll that's straight out of the MM (whose feat selection is about as far from combat-optimized as you can get).Also, given that you've had to do so much tweaking to boost his effectiveness, I think you're just proving my point that the 8th level DMG fighter is way too weak for a CR 8. And I should note that, even with all the tweaking you've done, the fighter still isn't even as tough as a hill giant, let alone a stone giant.Because, as I've already illustrated, it's much more than a &quot;slight&quot; difference we're talking about here. Having twice as many hit points and doing 3 times as much damage isn't a &quot;slight&quot; difference.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Grog, post: 3282544, member: 6183"] I agree that tweaking a stone giant the way you describe would probably boost its CR by one. However, giving exactly the same feats/equipment/tactics to the fighter would not, IMO, make him CR 9. Doesn't that tell you something right there? Wait. The fighter you're listing here is [b]significantly[/b] tougher than the one in the DMG. I think it's best if we compare creatures straight out of the book - after all, it's not a fair comparison if you're comparing a tweaked-to-the-gills fighter with a troll that's straight out of the MM (whose feat selection is about as far from combat-optimized as you can get). Also, given that you've had to do so much tweaking to boost his effectiveness, I think you're just proving my point that the 8th level DMG fighter is way too weak for a CR 8. And I should note that, even with all the tweaking you've done, the fighter still isn't even as tough as a hill giant, let alone a stone giant. Because, as I've already illustrated, it's much more than a "slight" difference we're talking about here. Having twice as many hit points and doing 3 times as much damage isn't a "slight" difference. [/QUOTE]

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