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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Brace Cormaeril" data-source="post: 3914322" data-attributes="member: 45956">Lol, actually Frank, that is the encounter 3 lvls from now for these PC's, only it's vs. a Garg. White Dragon, his two huge Mates, and a bunch of Juveniles.  To Shin> Mr. Okada, your point about Expansion is why I'm using this combination, and it will be a Mature Adult Black Dragon/ Psy Warrior 3.  I have taken into consideration party resources, and believe that this will be a very challenging encounter, but not impossible, although the possibility of a TPK is there.  And the Players know it.  There are many arguments, to be sure, that this is too easy (one creature) or too hard (CR17 v. 7 9th characters).  However, I have proven to Players, (and to their poor, dead Characters), that as long as a monster has an Int score greater than, oh... 16-ish, a sub-CR encounter can be as lethal as the DM chooses.The Party:Warlock1/2 Celestial PaladinPsyWar/ScoutFighterClericSorceror (force mage)BardThe Threat:Mature Adult Black Dragon PsyWar 3 whose feat whose feats are:Max BreathHoverWingOverImp ManuervabilityPower DiveClinging BreathPower AttackTempest BreathImp. InitDire ChargeWhirlwind Tail SlapPsionic MeditationGhost Attack</blockquote>