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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Luthien Greyspear" data-source="post: 3038884" data-attributes="member: 34334">Probably not slaughtering.  I think I'm going to be using one of the Incarnum-wielding classes (probably the Totemist), and what I'm trying to do is fairly balance the NPC to be a challenge (not a TPK, but a tough fight) without the use of any magic items or gear.  He'll be a bit of a feral opponent that doesn't need or want items, because he literally makes his own out of Incarnum.I think my previous guesstimate of -1 relative CR per six levels is the formula I'm gonna use, which would make a 15th level Totemist without gear equal to about a CR 13 character.  I figure that'll put a minor (but interesting) crimp in my 12th-level party's plans.BTW, the reason I'm trying to balance a totally unequipped NPC is because he's the minion of a big stankin' DRAGON.  They don't like it when minions are playing with their hard-earned treasures.</blockquote>