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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4107952" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>To a certain extent. It does explain some of the problems with the 3E craft system wherein, you could get a skill like 'Craft(Shipwright)', Craft('Joiner'), or 'Craft(Weaponsmith)', and be unable to do 'Craft(Carpentry)' or 'Craft(Blacksmith)'.</p><p></p><p>I think that ultimately such a system would get fairly complex. For one thing, you seem to be moving toward a system with multiple sorts of experience points, either explicitly or implicitly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. Thanks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll say. The 'Special' clause is pretty telling AFAIC. If I had to rewrite the example feat you showed to make it where it wasn't just winging it in a different form, it would probably get up to several pages. It seems to say nothing about whether or not the offiicials like you (3 CHR, 30 CHR, doesn't make a difference). It says nothing about your relationship to the officials (it costs the same whether you are a half-orc mongrel or whether you happen to be the mayors nephew). It says nothing about whether or not you are working against the officials interests (it costs the same even if you are a political rival). It says nothing about who the crime was committed against. For example, apparantly one could spend 100 gp on bribes to repeatedly get the officials to overlook the fact you are stealing 9900 gp from them monthly. It also seems to treat the public officials as a faceless nameless undifferientiated block. It seems to me that most of the time some of the public officials are bribable, and others are not. So what happens if the mayor is a scoundrel, but the judge is a paladin? What happens if mayor is in your pocket, but you offend one of the city alderman by insulting his favorite wine and he decides to go public with your corruption scheme in retribution? In other words, it leaves so much up to fiat that I might as well just be using fiat. </p><p></p><p>Worse yet, it has the whiff of replacing role play with rote resolution. It looks like it could very easily be something you do instead of RP out the situation.</p><p></p><p>But if none of the above scenarios sound likely or fun to you, then I suppose its as good or as bad as any other social resolution system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4107952, member: 4937"] To a certain extent. It does explain some of the problems with the 3E craft system wherein, you could get a skill like 'Craft(Shipwright)', Craft('Joiner'), or 'Craft(Weaponsmith)', and be unable to do 'Craft(Carpentry)' or 'Craft(Blacksmith)'. I think that ultimately such a system would get fairly complex. For one thing, you seem to be moving toward a system with multiple sorts of experience points, either explicitly or implicitly. Yes. Thanks. I'll say. The 'Special' clause is pretty telling AFAIC. If I had to rewrite the example feat you showed to make it where it wasn't just winging it in a different form, it would probably get up to several pages. It seems to say nothing about whether or not the offiicials like you (3 CHR, 30 CHR, doesn't make a difference). It says nothing about your relationship to the officials (it costs the same whether you are a half-orc mongrel or whether you happen to be the mayors nephew). It says nothing about whether or not you are working against the officials interests (it costs the same even if you are a political rival). It says nothing about who the crime was committed against. For example, apparantly one could spend 100 gp on bribes to repeatedly get the officials to overlook the fact you are stealing 9900 gp from them monthly. It also seems to treat the public officials as a faceless nameless undifferientiated block. It seems to me that most of the time some of the public officials are bribable, and others are not. So what happens if the mayor is a scoundrel, but the judge is a paladin? What happens if mayor is in your pocket, but you offend one of the city alderman by insulting his favorite wine and he decides to go public with your corruption scheme in retribution? In other words, it leaves so much up to fiat that I might as well just be using fiat. Worse yet, it has the whiff of replacing role play with rote resolution. It looks like it could very easily be something you do instead of RP out the situation. But if none of the above scenarios sound likely or fun to you, then I suppose its as good or as bad as any other social resolution system. [/QUOTE]
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