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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 482025" data-attributes="member: 114">Well, I'd agree *but*Rings have a value of 2000gp up to 200,000gpstaffs have a value of 6,500 up to 200,000gpwondrous items have a value of 25gp up to 175,000Given that only the rings of elemental power, the staff of power and the staff of passage exceed the maximum value of items that can be created with wondrous items...And to turn your own argument against itself - how many unique features could you name which are available only with create wonderous item? I would bet that there are *at least* triple the amount. For starters... items which permanently increase an attribute? items which give an enhancement bonus to an attribute? various extradimensional spaces? there are so many too choose from!The very fact that there are rings of climbing (cost 2000, prereq climb 5 ranks, caster level "5th" ) seems strange. Why should someone need to be 12th level to get the feat to forge one of these I wonder? Or feather fall, with caster level 1st, prereq feather fall, 2200? Overly powerful?</blockquote>