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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 2186477" data-attributes="member: 2013">Of course.  I'll give you a rough idea of time required, too.  Time is now 13:14 by my watch.Pine has a craft DC modifier of +0, and a progress check of -1 (pine is a bit difficult to work with due to its tendency to splinter).  Cost is 4 sp per pound.  It has a weight factor of 3/5 wood.  So a 12 pound chair is like needing 20 "regular pounds" of wood.*Whips out handy spreadsheet included with purchase, enters 20 lbs, 21 DC (a guess at making it look nice for nobility), 0.6 for weight factor, 0.4 for cost/lb, 0 for material DC adjustment, -1 for progress check, 23 for Craft Check, 5 for sum of ranks in craft skill and Int modifier*)Answer: This will take 5 weeks to complete and has a suggested market value of 59.6 gp.My watch now says 13:17 (and keep in mind I am typing my post too).I'd say suitable for a princess requires a DC of higher than 23 (the craft check you gave) but we'll use 23 for now. (take ten plus skill focus plus masterwork tools plus four ranks means an average first-level expert with no exceptional skills can get an 18 on his skill check with no problems - this tells me that most "objects d'art" with value greater than that found in the typical lower-class home should have DCs in the mid-20s to 30s - a tiara "suitable for a princess" should probably have a DC on the order of 35 - but I digress).*enters stuff into spreadsheet*Answer: Will take 1 week and has a suggested market value of 210 gp.  Inlaying gems, et al, would cost more; this is just the tiara, with no "extra frills."My watch tells me it's 13:19.(Chapter 8 deals with extra frills like etching, engraving, fluting, and inlays/insets, so if I wanted to do that, I could bump up the value considerably.  For instance, adding fluting (DC 20) would add 21 gp to the market price, doing one etching at a DC 20 would add another 20 gp to the market value, doing some DC 20 engraving would add another 40 gp... all three together would could push the market price up to about 300 gp and would take extra time, of course.)Had to step away for a moment, am back.  Watch says 13:26 here.  We'll assume full plate, which has an AC bonus of +8 and thus a DC of 18 (per SRD).*enters values into spreadsheet*Time to complete: 55 weeks.  Suggested Market Value: 600 gp.Watch: 13:28.  Now it's time to go "clean up" my post and make it more readable.It should be noted that armor and weapons have extra "labor costs" that go into making them usable as such; a 50 pound slug of steel formed into a shape with a DC of 18 to make but no armor bonus would take 9 weeks and be worth 140 gp.  In the case of the plate mail above, the "armor cost" is 28,800 labor units added to the normal "cost" of 4500 units just to shape the stuff - in other words, making it usable as armor (having all moving parts, etc.) is about five times as hard as just shaping it into a vaguely armor-shaped mass.So it takes about 1-2 minutes per item to look up material qualities, enter them into spreadsheet, and type results here.Reactions?  High?  Low?EDIT: As to the Gygaxian question, I went with fitting them into "traditional" D&D costs.  Re-pricing them would have triggered a whole 'nother set of explanations and with the book already at 144 pages, I thought that would get - um - long.  Realism has to be conceded for "ease of use" somewhere, and that was one concession I made... though you'll note I tried to add a lot more gemstone varieties than are in the SRD.--The Sigil* NOTE: sum of Int Modifier and Ranks in craft determines labor cost under my system; skilled craftsmen charge more for labor.  In all examples used 5 as sum of Int Mod and Craft Ranks; higher Int/Ranks will increase market value</blockquote>

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