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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7878663" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>[USER=6670153]@gyor[/USER] create food & water is on the cleric list yes, but it only creates "fifteen humanoids or five steeds for 24 hours" not ten to a hundred times that. There are no soviet russia style bread lines described in waterdeep, many of FR's religions are pretty horrible, <em>and</em> none of them operate large scale feed the hungry type operations that would be needed to support the massively overpopulated mil figure. Yes waterdeep has a portal or even some portals, but it does not have sigil like network of portals everywhere, 3.5 tippyverse stype permanent* teleport circle networks handling trade, or what have you...it has a seaport & river with pre-industrilaization levels of tech for loading/unloading/distributing the contents of those ships. As a florida resident well familiar with the efforts FEMA goes through before & after any major hurricane to keep food/water/gas/utilities/services operational I can assure you that it would be an insurmountable hurdle for waterdeep's level of technological advancement.</p><p></p><p>Yes they have caravans, but the next major city (daggerford) is about a hundred miles away A horse drawn wagon can <a href="https://www.reference.com/pets-animals/long-would-travel-50-miles-horse-carriage-51c8d531c13454ca" target="_blank">travel</a> 50 miles in 8-12 hours & somehow that amounts to 100-150 in 24 hours according to that link, or according to phb182 somewhere in the 24-30 mile/day range for a team of 40 speed draft horses. That makes the trip from daggerford almost a week each way through wilderness.</p><p></p><p>* Sigil is still sigil, Eberron can get around it with dragonmark focus item/eldritch machine teleport rooms in Orien's control, but neither of those are FR & "FR has that too" turns it into something very different. "Because magic" and "FR has that too" don't work because FR doesn't apply magic like eberron or blue age athas & FR does not have "<em>that"</em>... Instead FR has a gaggle of megapowerful do nothing groups with no responsibilities, services, or activity in the world beyond existing... instead of "FR has that too" work out ways for FR to plausibly have that kinda stuff within what FR <em>does</em> have or how FR would need to change in order to import "that" from other settings</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7878663, member: 93670"] [USER=6670153]@gyor[/USER] create food & water is on the cleric list yes, but it only creates "fifteen humanoids or five steeds for 24 hours" not ten to a hundred times that. There are no soviet russia style bread lines described in waterdeep, many of FR's religions are pretty horrible, [I]and[/I] none of them operate large scale feed the hungry type operations that would be needed to support the massively overpopulated mil figure. Yes waterdeep has a portal or even some portals, but it does not have sigil like network of portals everywhere, 3.5 tippyverse stype permanent* teleport circle networks handling trade, or what have you...it has a seaport & river with pre-industrilaization levels of tech for loading/unloading/distributing the contents of those ships. As a florida resident well familiar with the efforts FEMA goes through before & after any major hurricane to keep food/water/gas/utilities/services operational I can assure you that it would be an insurmountable hurdle for waterdeep's level of technological advancement. Yes they have caravans, but the next major city (daggerford) is about a hundred miles away A horse drawn wagon can [URL='https://www.reference.com/pets-animals/long-would-travel-50-miles-horse-carriage-51c8d531c13454ca']travel[/URL] 50 miles in 8-12 hours & somehow that amounts to 100-150 in 24 hours according to that link, or according to phb182 somewhere in the 24-30 mile/day range for a team of 40 speed draft horses. That makes the trip from daggerford almost a week each way through wilderness. * Sigil is still sigil, Eberron can get around it with dragonmark focus item/eldritch machine teleport rooms in Orien's control, but neither of those are FR & "FR has that too" turns it into something very different. "Because magic" and "FR has that too" don't work because FR doesn't apply magic like eberron or blue age athas & FR does not have "[I]that"[/I]... Instead FR has a gaggle of megapowerful do nothing groups with no responsibilities, services, or activity in the world beyond existing... instead of "FR has that too" work out ways for FR to plausibly have that kinda stuff within what FR [I]does[/I] have or how FR would need to change in order to import "that" from other settings [/QUOTE]
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