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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oryan77" data-source="post: 5210567" data-attributes="member: 18701">No, I don't think that was necessary in this situation. I usually agree that players should suck it up every so often and just follow a plot hook so the prepped adventure gets going, but capture scenarios are not one of those times. As everyone knows, nobody wants to get captured. And if the DM needs them captured, he can do it no matter what. At least let the players resist if that is what they choose to do. Especially being Paladins, the DM can make sure he prevents a TPK with a simple 1 HP Lay on Hands to any unconscious PCs.Really, I don't see what the problem is. Sure, the DM ran a scenario that doesn't make a lot of sense, but it being his very first time DMing, he gets a pass. We've all done much worse than this.What was the outcome of the scenario? Did you guys quit right after you attacked? I don't understand how the game could be ruined just because you attacked. Either, you attack, and the Paladins fight back and overwhelm you guys, and the game goes on. Or, you attack, and you guys overwhelm the Paladins and the game goes on. Either way, both outcomes should have provided the DM with some useful material to keep the game going.Being a new DM though may make it hard for him to realize that. But then if you guys feel that he is now struggling to think of what to do next if you guys foiled his plot hook attempt, then you guys should give him suggestions on what to do during this session, "Maybe there are more swamp monsters we can hunt around here. I'm going to scout around." You could also pray that he is smart enough to realize that if he needs to capture you, he needs a bigger force next time. And the next day after the PCs rest, Paladin squad #2 comes along & railroads the group into a capture.Hopefully he'll learn his lesson and avoid this type of plot hook in the future. And there's nothing wrong with you pointing out after the session that railroading with a capture is a very difficult thing to do well and it usually doesn't sit well with players when it happens. Educate him, that's how a DM will get better.I'm not against capturing PCs as part of a plot hook. But it needs to be well planned so the players don't feel completely ripped off. Unfortunately, new DMs tend to use the capture plot hook right off the bat and they suck at it. I don't know what it is, capture scenarios just seem so cool in your head when you are writing an adventure, then everything crashes down when you attempt it <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

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