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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 2839762" data-attributes="member: 111">Okay, let's look very closely, step by step, at the language in Haste to see what happens if we closely follow the language assuming Crawl is limited to 5-feet but we don't call that a "speed" of 5-feet:1.  "All of the hasted creature’s modes of movement (including land movement, burrow, climb, fly, and swim) increase by 30 feet..."Okay, Crawl is definately a "mode of movement" because it is listed under "Move."   Therefore, so far, "Crawl " would increase to 35 feet of movement.However, this is limited bv:2.  ... to a maximum of twice the subject’s normal speed using that form of movement.So now one has to figure out what the normal speed is for Crawl.  Here one can take any of at least three approaches:1.  Crawl has no offically listed "speed," therefore the movement rate uder Haste is, technically, 35 feet because it has no limitation.  Silly, of course, but one way to look at it.  This feels technically correct but clearly abusive of intent.2.  Crawl has no listed "speed," therfore the limiting clause cannot apply and, by extension, the thing that it is limiting (increase of speed by 30-feet) cannot apply either.  This is bad logic, as the mere fact that a limitation does not apply does not automatically mean that the thing it is limiting does not apply.3.  Crawl has, effectively, a speed of "5" for all creatures, thus the limitation applies and one crawls at 10-feet if hasted.  This works, but requires treating "Crawl" as having a speed of "5," which, while true from a practical sense, is not listed that way in its description.So we have:1.  Technically most correct with the rules as written, but a really obviously wrong way to apply the rules.2.  Technically bad logic, but feels right to many people and is likely the way this was intended to work.3.  Also not entirely satisfactory because "Crawl" does not have a "speed," technically.We are thus left with no entirely satisfactory answer.  The two best answers are, in no particular order:A.  "Crawl" cannot be affected by Hasted because it is not really the same type of movement meant to be affected by Haste as evidenced by the lack of the term "speed" in describing "Crawl."B.  "Crawl" can be Hasted to 10-feet of movement because it is a "mode of movement" and can therefore be Hasted.  To prevent ridiculous abuse (crawling at 35-feet), one must treat it as having a speed of "5" for this purpose, despite the technical absence of the term "speed" in teh desciption of crawling.</blockquote>

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