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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 2843133" data-attributes="member: 111">Okay, re-considering.Hmmm.....The mode of movement is Run(x4).  That's defined in the rules.  It's defined as "moving four times speed."  For review Haste states:"All of the hasted creature’s modes of movement (including land movement, burrow, climb, fly, and swim) increase by 30 feet, to a maximum of twice the subject’s normal speed using that form of movement."What is the normal speed when using Run(x4).  I guess it's 30, but, really, you are moving at 120, so isn't that really the speed?  That would mean Haste would increase Run(x4) to 150 feet only.But, if I am moving normally, my speed would increased to 60.  I coudl then run, and I shoud move at 60 x 4, right?  But that would be increasing my speed for that mode of movement (run) to 240 - clearly faster than allowed.Hmmm.....Part of the problem is the lack of clearly defining what "normal speed using that form of movement" really means.   Speed, unfortunately, is not a precisely defined game term other than how far you can move using a Move Action.  If Run (x4) lets you move at four times your speed, then are you now at a run speed of 120?   Perhaps.  About the only time it matters is for Haste, I think.Here's something interesting:But, if your "Speed" is 30, isn't that your speed no matter how much you are hampered?  I think the answer to that is a resounding NO.  Your speed is merely what you can move with a move action.  In which case, isn't your speed "5" when crawling?Mind you, crawling is still a bit of a special case, but it really looks like it can at least be Hasted to make it faster.By the way, if your movement is so hampered that you do not even have sufficient speed to move even 5 feet, could you simply crawl around at 5 as a move action - thus moving FASTER while crawling??By the way you view it, I think the answer is yes.  On the other hand, if crawling effectively reduces speed to 5-feet, then no, you can never go FASTER by crawling.  Allowing that would truly be a rules abuse.The more I look at this the more I think that it is better to think of crawling as having a speed of 5.</blockquote>

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