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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5828471" data-attributes="member: 7883">This is a big part of it.It's something that annoyed me, particularly with 3.5.  All the downsides to magic were gone.  Raising/resurrecting became "ho hum".  Reincarnation?  If the risk of coming back as a badger or dryad or deer was gone, well, it's no longer much of a disadvantage.  Haste?  No more aging?  Not even something like a period of exhaustion at the end of the spell duration (which could have been an acceptable way of dealin with it).  Polymorph Other?  Now it's an ultimate buff spell.  Want a Fire Giant's strength?  Talk to the wizard.  In 1E/2E you didn't *want* Polymorph used on your character except for a last resort.....because taking Fire Giant form could result in your lvl 10 fighter turning evil, thinking he's a fire giant, and then destroying the entire party.  So, you used it for cursing people, turning them into cows, pigs or whatever.  Or you could use it as a distraction.  City guard coming after you?  Turn an innocent lvl 0 NPC into a wyvern and watch the hijinks when they fail their roll to assume the wyvern's INT score and mind.However.....I'll also point out that the case against fighters has always been overstated in 3E, IMO.  I've seen fighters easily just *demolish* spellcasters.  With the crit system, and insane stat bonuses that are available, and multiple attacks, I've seen high level fighters take out high level spellcasters in 1-2 rounds.  What it came down to was whether the 15 minute workday was used, and if the encounters occurred in areas where the spellcaster had room to move.  If the fighter could "stick" to the spellcaster, it was game over.  Protective spells like Stoneskin, etc. had very limited ability to limit damage.  When fighters could get in, and get a crit and score 60-80 points of damage on a single hit, with two more coming that around, damage reduction spells really don't do much to save the day.Spellcasters had very effective spells in 3E.  I won't deny it.  But I think they were much more killable than in 2E in many ways.  Stoneskin and other protective spells were much more limited in many ways....energy resistance?  Again, limited.  In general, 3E spells were less powerful, and more limited than their previous incarnations in 2nd Ed.Banshee</blockquote>

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