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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 3601983" data-attributes="member: 7240">So, to be clear, you mean the environment of 9th century Europe under Frankish rule. Gotcha.Bear with me here. Are you saying that we should turn everyone in the Carolingian Empire into the same kind of demi-human?I do not know what you mean here. Do you mean that the physics of 9th century France should become D&D physics? Because, the social, ecological, economic and political realities of 9th century France would have a lot of difficulty arising in a D&D world.  Even if we leave aside the question of how something like the Carolingian Empire could have emerged, we would then have to face the fact that ot would be a lot more powerful and effective under D&D physics. The number of low-level clerics in the society was significantly greater than the number in your standard DMG demographics table, especially in rural areas (which was basically everywhere). Would we use the class demographics from the DMG for describing the society or the Carolingians' own class demographics (lots of Rangers, Clerics, Fighters and Commoners and not much else)?People would travel differently. In Carolingian society, people generally traveled only during daylight and society pretty much shut down at night. Goods and information would move faster as a result of Darkvision. Would the adjacent societies also have Darkvision or just the people in the Empire? If only the Carolingians had Darkvision, I imagine that the empire would have seized more and different territory. But what about the conquered peoples of Charlemagne's world? Would the Gascons, Saxons, Croats, Italians and Frisians have Darkvision or would only the Franks? Obviously, the empire would be very different if people in its new territories were not part of the same D&D race as those in its core territory.Finally, a huge factor would be the fate or European wildlife. The main things that kept people indoors in Charlemagne's world were nocturnal predators in the giant enveloping forest. Carolingian attempts at predator control would actually have been successful and people would have had a much fairer fight against the great cats and wolves that menaced their communities.Not really applicable to 9th century France, Germany and Northern Italy. No adjacent territory fits the bill.This is a very good point. Although there were lots of other reasons very little mining got done in 9th century Europe, this would certainly have increasedthe amount.Sounds solid to me.There was no problem with daytime drinking in the Carolingian world anyway. Water was too unreliable.If you could afford a fancy gown in the Carolingian world, it is pretty much expected you would have servants you could rouse from bed for that anyway.Excellent points!Other crucial functions of fire in 9th century Europe: manufacturing metal objects and making beer. These were pretty crucial social tasks.</blockquote>

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