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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 3602039" data-attributes="member: 2020">Remember that I'm no historian.  But yes, we are *starting* with the environment of 9th century Europe under Frankish rule.  We won't *end* with that, of course.  But I had to start somewhere.  I was very unclear on where to start, but thought Charlemagne's France would be a good place.  Yes, when we change something, we are changing that something for everyone ... in Charlemagne's France, including Charlemagne and his knights and army as well.  We aren't changing any other place or society (such as Spain under Moorish occupation, or the Germanic tribes.)  The physics of 9th century France are the current physics, yes.  As of yet, aside from the changes we have made, there is no magic, no psionics, nothing different from real-world Earth.  We can add in those changes later.    Right now the only changes from historical reality are:  the people of Carolingian Empire (Charlemagne's France) have Darkvision and Telepathy as described in earlier posts.  Now, we must figure out what changes that would make in the Carolingian Empire.  We've done a lot of that for Darkvision (but more changes are possible.)  We now must work on the changes for telepathy.   At the *moment*, the Carolingian Empire is operating under normal physics, no clerics (or wizards, etc.) exist, and they have Darkvision and Telepathy as described in the earlier posts.   At the moment, the adjacent regions and peoples do not have anything the peoples of the Carolingian society have.  I *appreciate* that this gives Charlemagne a crucial advantage.  But we can go into the neighboring peoples later ... we are working on Charlemagne's people right now.  We are assuming (for this thread's purposes only) that the Carolingian Empire is not larger than it was historically at it's height.    And yes, things are different already.  Look at the above posts.  People have speculated on drastic changes for the Darkvision alone.  Which is good ... we are creating that altered Demi-Human society!   Only the Franks.  For the moment, everyone else is out of luck.  If this means these other people are at a disavantage, both socially and militarily, then they are.  (They obviously are, of course.)  I'm guessing they are 2nd class peoples, in the Carolingian Empire, that the laws for them are different and repressive.   In this case, you've pointed out a *major* difference from the Darkvision alone.  The Frankish people of the Empire, with Darkvision and Telepathy, have a crushing advantage in fighting the animals and killing/driving them off.  If they wish to fell the forests, they have the advantage there as well, no?  Anyone care to discuss the ramifications of this?  That's what this thread is about ...   And now, we have peasants working the fields day and night.  Shops are open day and night.  Taverns are open day and night.  People are stuck with that 60 foot limit on Darkvision, so the social norms are all altered.  Sudden lighting of torches and lanterns in someone's face is rude (it could even be a crime, in certain situations.)    Mining is easier in that people can see in the dark, yes.  It's not easier in other ways ... (or is it?)  And I'm guessing everyone is drinking beer (?), since the water is so dangerous.  No special immunities to parasites have been granted the Franks.  Since the 'conquered' peoples - the Gascons, Saxons, Croats, Italians, Frisians, and others - have neither Darkvision nor Telepathy, how do the laws apply to them?  What social norms do they exist under?  What special rules has Charlemagne and his nobles passed down for them?</blockquote>

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