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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoogleEmpMog" data-source="post: 3080702" data-attributes="member: 22882">But unless the king and his elites are adventurers themselves, eventually a group of adventurers who will apply the same economic solution to the government they do to everything else: kill it and take its stuff.At which point they become kings by their own hands, possibly continuing to adventure AS WELL AS collecting taxes - which they can use to get better stuff, which allows them to kill more powerful things, which allows them to further enrich themselves and the kingdom.Unless, of course, the king and his elites have been doing that for generations and thus are seriously badass in their own right.Even then, the tax collector who goes about taxing adventurers is in for either a storied career or a very short one.  LN and, in countries with good rulers, LG and NG PCs may turn their cut over willingly, and LE PCs may just try to cheat to pay less - but CN, CG, TN, NE and CE PCs, and LG and NG PCs in a country with an evil ruler are not going to cough up the cash without a fight.Now, this, I agree with.Perhaps the players read Conan instead of, or in addition to, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser?  You know, the one-time penniless barbarian mercenary and thief who became king by his own hand?  Conan’s hardly the only famous adventurer to retire wealthy, either.For that matter, Gygax's essay notwithstanding, he also included Name Level with lands and followers as class features.  Maybe not PCs as rulers, but PCs as power players of some sort.  Including druids and monks *having* to become the heads of their orders - in the druid's case, eventually head of all druids on the entire planet - if they wanted to continue advancing.Governments IMC are almost always monarchies, with perhaps one or two sinister empires, theocracies or republics menacing them.  But the monarchs do keep themselves in fighting trim, their nobles especially tend to be warrior- (or wizard-) aristocrats, and the PCs, if not nobles themselves, definitely have lots of chances to win lands and titles as well as wealth and glory.</blockquote>

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