Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Enchanted Trinkets Complete--a hardcover book containing over 500 magic items for your D&D games!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Creating a new character after a TPK - I need some inspiration
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 2214083" data-attributes="member: 6562"><p>I still say <strong>single-class Spellthief</strong>. You're uniquely suited to play it well.</p><p></p><p>Str: 11, Dex: 15, Con: 14, Int: 14, Wis: 11, Cha: 15</p><p>Human (you'll need the Feat & skill points).</p><p></p><p>Notes on Spellthief:</p><p></p><p>1/ To steal a spell, you need to either sneak attack a foe who has spells, or touch a willing target. This means you can:</p><p>- Steal spells from a distance (no mention of <em>melee</em> sneak attack).</p><p>- "Steal" spells from a friend (effectively, unlimited <em>imbue with spell ability</em> for your allies), thus doubling your party's damage output on the first round of combat.</p><p>- "Steal" spells from the unconscious Cleric (unconscious counts as willing for effects) to heal him, so he can heal the others.</p><p></p><p>2/ You can steal anyone's spells. The examples are all arcane spellcasters, but the rules text says nothing about arcane vs. divine. It does mention that you need whatever components the original caster would need, "including Focus", so get yourself Clerical and a Druidic Divine Foci.</p><p></p><p>3/ The saves are kinda lame, and you don't get Evasion, so consider taking two levels of Monk. If you had enough good scores to pump up your Wisdom, I'd say it's a great choice. Hmm, maybe we can lower your Int score... what skills do we really need? Hmm.</p><p></p><p>4/ Some Feats from Complete Adventurer:</p><p>- Ascetic Mage: see if your DM will allow your Spellthief level to count as 1/2 Sorcerer level, since you cast basically as a Sorcerer. If so, you should certainly take two levels of Monk after eight levels of Spellthief. Oh, and Cha bonus to AC (instead of Wis). Schweeeeet! This would be your 9th level Feat, if your DM buys the half-Sorcerer thing, which is IMHO reasonable. They're from the same book.</p><p>- Appraise Magic Value: Like Identify, for 1/4 the cost, without wasting a spell. But you have to already know that the item is magical, which you can do Cha bonus/day after 2nd level.</p><p>- Force of Personality: Cha bonus to Will in place of Wis. You have a good Will save, but this wouldn't hurt.</p><p></p><p>5/ Note that the Spellthief has Speak Language on his skill list. It's just him and the Bard. This is a nifty little perk. Some level, pick up nine languages, just to see the look on your DM's face.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, a Human Spellthief, level 1:</p><p></p><p>Feats: Point-Blank Shot, Rapid Shot (use darts or a sling)</p><p>Skills: 9*4 skill points, so 9 max'd skills: Concentration, Disable Device, Kn(Arcana), Listen, Open Lock, Search, Spellcraft, Tumble, Use Magic Device</p><p></p><p>Equipment: Leather armor, Longspear, Sling & bullets</p><p></p><p> -- N</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nifft, post: 2214083, member: 6562"] I still say [b]single-class Spellthief[/b]. You're uniquely suited to play it well. Str: 11, Dex: 15, Con: 14, Int: 14, Wis: 11, Cha: 15 Human (you'll need the Feat & skill points). Notes on Spellthief: 1/ To steal a spell, you need to either sneak attack a foe who has spells, or touch a willing target. This means you can: - Steal spells from a distance (no mention of [i]melee[/i] sneak attack). - "Steal" spells from a friend (effectively, unlimited [i]imbue with spell ability[/i] for your allies), thus doubling your party's damage output on the first round of combat. - "Steal" spells from the unconscious Cleric (unconscious counts as willing for effects) to heal him, so he can heal the others. 2/ You can steal anyone's spells. The examples are all arcane spellcasters, but the rules text says nothing about arcane vs. divine. It does mention that you need whatever components the original caster would need, "including Focus", so get yourself Clerical and a Druidic Divine Foci. 3/ The saves are kinda lame, and you don't get Evasion, so consider taking two levels of Monk. If you had enough good scores to pump up your Wisdom, I'd say it's a great choice. Hmm, maybe we can lower your Int score... what skills do we really need? Hmm. 4/ Some Feats from Complete Adventurer: - Ascetic Mage: see if your DM will allow your Spellthief level to count as 1/2 Sorcerer level, since you cast basically as a Sorcerer. If so, you should certainly take two levels of Monk after eight levels of Spellthief. Oh, and Cha bonus to AC (instead of Wis). Schweeeeet! This would be your 9th level Feat, if your DM buys the half-Sorcerer thing, which is IMHO reasonable. They're from the same book. - Appraise Magic Value: Like Identify, for 1/4 the cost, without wasting a spell. But you have to already know that the item is magical, which you can do Cha bonus/day after 2nd level. - Force of Personality: Cha bonus to Will in place of Wis. You have a good Will save, but this wouldn't hurt. 5/ Note that the Spellthief has Speak Language on his skill list. It's just him and the Bard. This is a nifty little perk. Some level, pick up nine languages, just to see the look on your DM's face. So, a Human Spellthief, level 1: Feats: Point-Blank Shot, Rapid Shot (use darts or a sling) Skills: 9*4 skill points, so 9 max'd skills: Concentration, Disable Device, Kn(Arcana), Listen, Open Lock, Search, Spellcraft, Tumble, Use Magic Device Equipment: Leather armor, Longspear, Sling & bullets -- N [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Creating a new character after a TPK - I need some inspiration
Top