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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8680573" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>I... would not do this.</p><p></p><p>Like I get the impetus, particularly since canonically lots of elves are nonbinary, genderfluid, and have a sliding sexuality over the course of their long lives.</p><p></p><p>But:</p><p></p><p><strong>1) Pride exists because of oppression. It is a celebration in the face of people who want to remove LGBTQIA+ people from society and/or existence.</strong></p><p>Unless elves are trying to kill off "Women, Nonbinary People, and Men" they don't need a pride flag to wave in the face of their oppressors to say "Here I am, even though you don't want me to be!" which, of course, would be practically every member of Elven Society.</p><p></p><p><strong>2) Making it about Reproduction both goes against a large swath of the LGBTQIA+ community and makes the event -specifically- a chance to get laid.</strong></p><p>LGBTQIA+ people are often called perverts because cisnormative and heteronormative people tend to at least initially view our identities and existence through the one lens they understand: Sexual. And assert rumors and theories about how everything is just sex for the community. That we're perverts grooming children, doing kink at all times, and that trans women must "Get Off" by wearing women's clothing. Particularly that Trans Men are just "Confused Lesbians" who need to be 'corrected' by either the right straight man or the right lesbian. And, of course, the LG portion of the community (which includes at least a segment of the T4T and heterosexual portions of the T community) cannot reproduce without intervention, so this also kind of sticks its tongue out at them (us).</p><p></p><p><strong>3) Inserting biological sex distinctions into a pride flag is just gross.</strong></p><p>The Trans flag is pink, white, and blue to represent people who are girls, people who are boys, and people who are both, neither, or each at different times. It doesn't pose the question of what is inside someone's pants because that's no one's business except the person wearing the pants and whomever they want to take them off with. (Or skirts, but, y'know, pants is also a term for underwear so it works either way unless you go commando) Also Important: because Intersex people exist and might be women, men, neither, both, or slide around the spectrum independent of the variety of genital, genetic, and gamete configurations they might have.</p><p></p><p><strong>4) You present Nonbinary people as sometimes feeling strongly binaristic based on their genitals configurations. Gross.</strong></p><p>I don't think I need to explain why this one is bad.</p><p></p><p><strong>5) You present gender/sex as opposites and nonbinary as transcending the opposites</strong></p><p>Male is not the opposite of Female any more than Cat is the opposite of Dog. They're just different configurations of Humanity. Nonbinary people just don't fit in a binary understanding of gender because a binary understanding of gender is inaccurate, they don't "Transcend" anything.</p><p></p><p>What you've created, here, is a 'flag' that coopts pride to create a complex method of categorizing people based on their gender, their genitals, and their gender a second time for... some reason. And it essentially turns all nonbinary identities into a single monolithic "Third Gender" which is also for Intersex people. It's not even an actual -flag- because you don't use the whole thing to represent yourself, but pick and choose between 0 and 3 colors to make your own flag that the "Head of Household" chooses to hang. Which is a whoooole other can of worms...</p><p></p><p>So yes. I would not do this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8680573, member: 6796468"] I... would not do this. Like I get the impetus, particularly since canonically lots of elves are nonbinary, genderfluid, and have a sliding sexuality over the course of their long lives. But: [B]1) Pride exists because of oppression. It is a celebration in the face of people who want to remove LGBTQIA+ people from society and/or existence.[/B] Unless elves are trying to kill off "Women, Nonbinary People, and Men" they don't need a pride flag to wave in the face of their oppressors to say "Here I am, even though you don't want me to be!" which, of course, would be practically every member of Elven Society. [B]2) Making it about Reproduction both goes against a large swath of the LGBTQIA+ community and makes the event -specifically- a chance to get laid.[/B] LGBTQIA+ people are often called perverts because cisnormative and heteronormative people tend to at least initially view our identities and existence through the one lens they understand: Sexual. And assert rumors and theories about how everything is just sex for the community. That we're perverts grooming children, doing kink at all times, and that trans women must "Get Off" by wearing women's clothing. Particularly that Trans Men are just "Confused Lesbians" who need to be 'corrected' by either the right straight man or the right lesbian. And, of course, the LG portion of the community (which includes at least a segment of the T4T and heterosexual portions of the T community) cannot reproduce without intervention, so this also kind of sticks its tongue out at them (us). [B]3) Inserting biological sex distinctions into a pride flag is just gross.[/B] The Trans flag is pink, white, and blue to represent people who are girls, people who are boys, and people who are both, neither, or each at different times. It doesn't pose the question of what is inside someone's pants because that's no one's business except the person wearing the pants and whomever they want to take them off with. (Or skirts, but, y'know, pants is also a term for underwear so it works either way unless you go commando) Also Important: because Intersex people exist and might be women, men, neither, both, or slide around the spectrum independent of the variety of genital, genetic, and gamete configurations they might have. [B]4) You present Nonbinary people as sometimes feeling strongly binaristic based on their genitals configurations. Gross.[/B] I don't think I need to explain why this one is bad. [B]5) You present gender/sex as opposites and nonbinary as transcending the opposites[/B] Male is not the opposite of Female any more than Cat is the opposite of Dog. They're just different configurations of Humanity. Nonbinary people just don't fit in a binary understanding of gender because a binary understanding of gender is inaccurate, they don't "Transcend" anything. What you've created, here, is a 'flag' that coopts pride to create a complex method of categorizing people based on their gender, their genitals, and their gender a second time for... some reason. And it essentially turns all nonbinary identities into a single monolithic "Third Gender" which is also for Intersex people. It's not even an actual -flag- because you don't use the whole thing to represent yourself, but pick and choose between 0 and 3 colors to make your own flag that the "Head of Household" chooses to hang. Which is a whoooole other can of worms... So yes. I would not do this. [/QUOTE]
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