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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8682981" data-attributes="member: 6915329">I still think you're thinking too much about gender identity and sexuality.The first question to be asked is, do dwarfs (or whatever) actually care about these things all that much, and if so, why? I don't want to get too much into the real world here, but with real-life humans, problems arise because of toxic masculinity (real men are on top and must act like manly men and only be interested in manly things, while women are inferior), or that same-sex couples don't produce babies who grow up to be members of your religion or who pay their taxes. So take that to a fantasy world. Would dwarfs (or elves, or orcs, or even fantasy humans) care about these things? An example of toxic dwarfilinity might have nothing to do with ones sex or gender but might say that anyone who isn't a really good miner, smith, or brewer (or in another of a small handful of properly dwarfy jobs) is a weak excuse for a dwarf and may be looked down upon in dwarf society--perhaps even to the point that basketweavers and cheesemakers are at risk of getting beat up by gangs of drunken miners, or not having their marriages seen as being as valid as &quot;real&quot; dwarfs. If you also go with the common idea of dwarf clans having familial trades--if you're born to a cheesemaker, then a cheesemaker you shall be--then here's where you get the type of bigotry where you can have pride flags and have them mean something. You don't have to have dwarfs also caring one whit about their sex or romantic lives or how they identify.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8682981, member: 6915329"] I still think you're thinking too much about gender identity and sexuality. The first question to be asked is, do dwarfs (or whatever) actually care about these things all that much, and if so, why? I don't want to get [I]too [/I]much into the real world here, but with real-life humans, problems arise because of toxic masculinity (real men are on top and must act like manly men and only be interested in manly things, while women are inferior), or that same-sex couples don't produce babies who grow up to be members of your religion or who pay their taxes. So take that to a fantasy world. Would dwarfs (or elves, or orcs, or even fantasy humans) care about these things? An example of toxic dwarfilinity might have nothing to do with ones sex or gender but might say that anyone who isn't a really good miner, smith, or brewer (or in another of a small handful of properly dwarfy jobs) is a weak excuse for a dwarf and may be looked down upon in dwarf society--perhaps even to the point that basketweavers and cheesemakers are at risk of getting beat up by gangs of drunken miners, or not having their marriages seen as being as valid as "real" dwarfs. If you also go with the common idea of dwarf clans having familial trades--if you're born to a cheesemaker, then a cheesemaker you shall be--then here's where you get the type of bigotry where you can have pride flags and have them mean something. You don't have to have dwarfs also caring one whit about their sex or romantic lives or how they identify. [/QUOTE]

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