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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8683986" data-attributes="member: 6915329">Yes, but. People who are proud of their country are proud because they live in a great country that does good things (or at least they believe it is/does). Women who are proud of being women usually are so because they live in a place where women are expected to behave in a particular way, and thus the woman is proud for behaving in that way or for circumventing those expectations. Ditto for men. This could be a societal expectation or a familial one. A woman could be proud of being a stay-at-home mom because she's doing what good moms are supposed to do and she's doing it well, or because she chose to be with her kids and raise them instead of rejoining the ratrace like everyone thinks she should do. Both are things to be proud about. A man could be proud of being a stay-at-home dad because he wants to give his children the best life, despite society thinking that's a woman's job.So, in a world where one's sexuality is just a label with no baggage attached, what sort of pride is involved? &quot;I sure smooched the heck out of those guys!&quot; is not, IMO, a flag-worthy moment of pride for someone who is sexually/romantically attracted to guys.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8683986, member: 6915329"] Yes, [I]but[/I]. People who are proud of their country are proud because they live in a great country that does good things (or at least they believe it is/does). Women who are proud of being women usually are so because they live in a place where women are expected to behave in a particular way, and thus the woman is proud for behaving in that way [I]or [/I]for circumventing those expectations. Ditto for men. This could be a societal expectation or a familial one. A woman could be proud of being a stay-at-home mom because she's doing what good moms are supposed to do and she's doing it well, or because she chose to be with her kids and raise them instead of rejoining the ratrace like everyone thinks she should do. Both are things to be proud about. A man could be proud of being a stay-at-home dad because he wants to give his children the best life, despite society thinking that's a woman's job. So, in a world where one's sexuality is just a label with no baggage attached, what sort of pride is involved? "I sure smooched the heck out of those guys!" is not, IMO, a flag-worthy moment of pride for someone who is sexually/romantically attracted to guys. [/QUOTE]

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