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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8684022" data-attributes="member: 6915329">That... doesn't seem right. Not every trait that exists is one that was selected for. A lot of traits exist because they weren't selected against. Being transgender doesn't prevent the human species from surviving so it stuck around. Being transgender may have been useful in society for the reasons you state, but society doesn't do much for evolution. But even then, it's not so much something useful as a natural occurrence in a society that both accepts transgender people and has fairly strict gender roles. In a society that accepts transgender people but doesn't have gender roles (such as elves, often), then a hunter would be anyone who was good at hunting, regardless of their sex or whether they are trans or cis.I think you're missing the point though. The inherent value of orientation and gender is because, for millennia, people insisting that there are two genders and only one proper orientation. A trans woman may be proud to be a woman, but her trans-ness is only actually important because of people insisting that trans-ness isn't real or is wrong. In a society where someone who was AMAB comes out as being a woman, and everyone elses' response is &quot;OK, what should we call you now?&quot;, then there's no real need for pride in transitioning. It's just a thing that you are, and would only be important in certain medical situations. Ditto for sexual orientation. If literally nobody cares if you're into guys or girls or both or neither, then being gay or straight is just a thing that you are.You're also ignoring that no, not every cis woman is going to be proud she's a woman. For many people, being a woman is just a thing that you are, no biggie. Ditto for men.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8684022, member: 6915329"] That... doesn't seem right. Not every trait that exists is one that was selected for. A lot of traits exist because they weren't selected [I]against.[/I] Being transgender doesn't prevent the human species from surviving so it stuck around. Being transgender may have been useful in [I]society [/I]for the reasons you state, but society doesn't do much for evolution. But even then, it's not so much something useful as a natural occurrence in a society that both accepts transgender people [I]and [/I]has fairly strict gender roles. In a society that accepts transgender people but doesn't have gender roles (such as elves, often), then a hunter would be anyone who was good at hunting, regardless of their sex or whether they are trans or cis. I think you're missing the point though. The inherent value of orientation and gender is because, for millennia, people insisting that there are two genders and only one proper orientation. A trans woman may be proud to be a woman, but her trans-ness is only actually important because of people insisting that trans-ness isn't real or is wrong. In a society where someone who was AMAB comes out as being a woman, and [I]everyone elses' [/I]response is "OK, what should we call you now?", then there's no real need for pride in transitioning. It's just a thing that you are, and would only be important in certain medical situations. Ditto for sexual orientation. If literally nobody cares if you're into guys or girls or both or neither, then being gay or straight is just a thing that you are. You're also ignoring that no, not every cis woman is going to be proud she's a woman. For many people, being a woman is just a thing that you are, no biggie. Ditto for men. [I][/I] [/QUOTE]

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