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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8975426" data-attributes="member: 58172">I also noticed that location of the term &quot;transgender&quot; in the VA presentation is off. I suspect the presentation is trying to consolidate an enormous amount of (military) research data into an easy-to-understand pamphlet that can be picked up easily. The oversimplification causes the location of the term &quot;transgender&quot; to be slightly off. Perhaps this location is where &quot;nonbinary / gender-fluid&quot; should be. Then mention that anyone who is non cisgender is transgender in some way.Regarding &quot;expression&quot; (which is what I normally mean by &quot;gender&quot;), there is at least masculine, feminine, both (androgynous), and neither (neutral).I also think mentioning sexual orientation as part of the &quot;genderbread person&quot; causes confusion and probably has its own complex of variables by itself.For me, the part that is helpful is separating the three variables of ones gender:• Anatomy (male, female, intersex, or undeveloped)• Self-identity (man, woman, both, or neither)• Self-expression (masculine, feminine, both, or neither)Cisgender is when ones self-identity always corresponds to ones anatomy. Transgender is when the self-identity doesnt correspond.Interestingly, anatomical intersex persons often deeply self-identify as either a man or a woman, rather than both. I have a friend who is intersex whose parents thought they were being helpful by surgically &quot;correcting&quot; her at birth. Unfortunately, they chose the wrong anatomy. They raised her as a boy, but by the time she hit puberty it became clear to everyone she is a woman.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8975426, member: 58172"] I also noticed that location of the term "transgender" in the VA presentation is off. I suspect the presentation is trying to consolidate an enormous amount of (military) research data into an easy-to-understand pamphlet that can be picked up easily. The oversimplification causes the location of the term "transgender" to be slightly off. Perhaps this location is where "nonbinary / gender-fluid" should be. Then mention that anyone who is non cisgender is transgender in some way. Regarding "expression" (which is what I normally mean by "gender"), there is at least masculine, feminine, both (androgynous), and neither (neutral). I also think mentioning sexual orientation as part of the "genderbread person" causes confusion and probably has its own complex of variables by itself. For me, the part that is helpful is separating the three variables of ones gender: • Anatomy (male, female, intersex, or undeveloped) • Self-identity (man, woman, both, or neither) • Self-expression (masculine, feminine, both, or neither) Cisgender is when ones self-identity always corresponds to ones anatomy. Transgender is when the self-identity doesnt correspond. Interestingly, anatomical intersex persons often deeply self-identify as either a man or a woman, rather than both. I have a friend who is intersex whose parents thought they were being helpful by surgically "correcting" her at birth. Unfortunately, they chose the wrong anatomy. They raised her as a boy, but by the time she hit puberty it became clear to everyone she is a woman. [/QUOTE]

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