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<blockquote data-quote="Yair" data-source="post: 2778738" data-attributes="member: 10913"><p>Yep.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds good.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I like it, but would make things more mystical.</p><p>I tend to see all Outsiders as essentially manifestations of the plane. As finite entities, they are by necessity a mere fraction of the plane's infinite wisdom and might, yet unlike the plane they can take action in the world (change the plane or enter the mortal world), being in-time and concrete. They are the ways an atemporal, infinite, perhaps omnipotent being interacts with a finite, temporal, existence.</p><p>Under this interpertation, any prestige class that changes the Cleric - or anyone else - to an Outsider aligned with a particular plane essentially merges it with the plane. If the character is powerful (high-level) enough, she may become the most powerful manifestation of the plane, and much of the plane's actions (including the creation of other outsiders) will fall in line. No matter how high level, however, the character is finite while the plane (god) is infinite and as such the character represents only an insignificant portion of the god's being; she will never become a god.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not sure if we want to have reincarnation as our main theological motiff. It certainly doesn't coincide with <em>true resurrection</em> that can bring back those dead for 200 years (or more, with Epic levels). </p><p>I suggest having the souls "meld" with the plane-which-is-a-god, leading a non-material existence in union with god yet being distinct so they could be resurrected.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would differentiate a demiplane from a plane in that the demipane is an artificial consturct brone out of arcane incantations, devoid of all sentience or power but that of the wizard's soul. </p><p>A wizard that also follows a clerical path shackles his to a true Plane, which may indeed strengthen the plane by somehow "adding" his demiplane to it.</p><p>I would not make all wizards thieves of divine power, however. That should be reserved to specific individuals, not two whole classes.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, I think this idea can be seriously expanded with medieval concepts of microcosms and modern psychology. A powerful wizard will become a god in his own little world on his death, a weak one will be condemned to eternally relive his worst nightmares.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sounds fitting.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Very good. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I'll write more later, now I have to do laundary.</p><p></p><p>Yair</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yair, post: 2778738, member: 10913"] Yep. Sounds good. I like it, but would make things more mystical. I tend to see all Outsiders as essentially manifestations of the plane. As finite entities, they are by necessity a mere fraction of the plane's infinite wisdom and might, yet unlike the plane they can take action in the world (change the plane or enter the mortal world), being in-time and concrete. They are the ways an atemporal, infinite, perhaps omnipotent being interacts with a finite, temporal, existence. Under this interpertation, any prestige class that changes the Cleric - or anyone else - to an Outsider aligned with a particular plane essentially merges it with the plane. If the character is powerful (high-level) enough, she may become the most powerful manifestation of the plane, and much of the plane's actions (including the creation of other outsiders) will fall in line. No matter how high level, however, the character is finite while the plane (god) is infinite and as such the character represents only an insignificant portion of the god's being; she will never become a god. I'm not sure if we want to have reincarnation as our main theological motiff. It certainly doesn't coincide with [i]true resurrection[/i] that can bring back those dead for 200 years (or more, with Epic levels). I suggest having the souls "meld" with the plane-which-is-a-god, leading a non-material existence in union with god yet being distinct so they could be resurrected. I would differentiate a demiplane from a plane in that the demipane is an artificial consturct brone out of arcane incantations, devoid of all sentience or power but that of the wizard's soul. A wizard that also follows a clerical path shackles his to a true Plane, which may indeed strengthen the plane by somehow "adding" his demiplane to it. I would not make all wizards thieves of divine power, however. That should be reserved to specific individuals, not two whole classes. Yes, I think this idea can be seriously expanded with medieval concepts of microcosms and modern psychology. A powerful wizard will become a god in his own little world on his death, a weak one will be condemned to eternally relive his worst nightmares. Sounds fitting. Very good. :) I'll write more later, now I have to do laundary. Yair [/QUOTE]
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