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<blockquote data-quote="Cheiromancer" data-source="post: 331669" data-attributes="member: 141">It also occurs to me that my sample 4th level fighter/16th level hero could not legally spend 32 points for Con bonuses.Maybe the price of a &quot;+Con modifier to hit points&quot; should be the same as a &quot;+Int modifier to skill points&quot;?&nbsp; After all, one hero point will get you either +2 hp, or +2 skill points.In which case I think I'll adopt your idea that the hero not get any save bonuses.&nbsp; Then the alt.hero will look like this:d4 hit diceno con bonusno skill pointspoor BABno saving throw progression8 HP per levelNow, what does that do for poor Ogry?&nbsp; It costs him another 6 HP for saving throws, and that will definitely push him into an 8th level of hero.&nbsp; But then he gets a +1 to BAB that he doesn't need.&nbsp; So a low 8th.I toyed with the idea of eliminating the BAB too, but that makes it hard to pay for a fighter's BAB.&nbsp; But creatures with lots of powers and a poor BAB progression (like undead) will probably need to have points of BAB bought back.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cheiromancer, post: 331669, member: 141"] It also occurs to me that my sample 4th level fighter/16th level hero could not legally spend 32 points for Con bonuses. Maybe the price of a "+Con modifier to hit points" should be the same as a "+Int modifier to skill points"? After all, one hero point will get you either +2 hp, or +2 skill points. In which case I think I'll adopt your idea that the hero not get any save bonuses. Then the alt.hero will look like this: d4 hit dice no con bonus no skill points poor BAB no saving throw progression 8 HP per level Now, what does that do for poor Ogry? It costs him another 6 HP for saving throws, and that will definitely push him into an 8th level of hero. But then he gets a +1 to BAB that he doesn't need. So a low 8th. I toyed with the idea of eliminating the BAB too, but that makes it hard to pay for a fighter's BAB. But creatures with lots of powers and a poor BAB progression (like undead) will probably need to have points of BAB bought back. [/QUOTE]

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