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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ezo" data-source="post: 9590933" data-attributes="member: 7037866">I understand all of this, but sneaking is also about establishing yourself as unseen and unheard. For example, you are Heavily Obsured in a dark room as two guards walk by. Obviously, they will not see you, but even if you are trying to be quiet and not moving, you might fail and the could hear you. Will they? That is what you need the check for.Your first sentence:states you are trying to leave a position in order to make the check, but in my example you aren't leaving the room, just trying to be quiet.You have to either: (a) establish an initial check or (b) make a check when a situation arises you might be noticed.Leaving a position where you are unseen is certainly (b), but so would my scenario of trying to remain quiet as the guards pass by the dark room.</blockquote>