Creating Magic Items with rare components?

[spot10]

OK, here's an example.
Book says that it costs 1/2 market price in materials to create a magic item.

So here's the question: What materials would be required to create my own Bag of Holding IV?

Sounds simple, but maybe not.
OK, Book says that bags are about 2 ft. by 4 ft.
and a Type 4 bag costs 10,000 GP.
So besides the minor costs for spell components used, where am I going to find cloth, (The physical component to make a bag), that is worth about 5,000 GP.

So I need a few square feet of cloth, first of all.
Even the finest cloth known to exist wouldn't cost that much.

Does that mean I have to find some obscure rare component to make up the cost gap or what?

Or do I just burn 5,000 GP and be done with it?

Now, unfortunately, my DM is anal retentive so what
I am looking for is documented proof, In the rule books, to answer these questions.

Pretty much if you can't point to a page in a book to back you up then don't even bother.
I know that is naughty word up, but that's how my DM is.
When it comes to gaming my DM doesn't believe ANYTHING , without proof.


THANKS GUYS

 

[shilsen]

By the rules, there are no listed details for what the specific components are. They should be something which can be obtained in any large enough city, cost 5,000 gp, and once you have them (the DM should decide how to handle it, whether it takes a trip to the local wizard's guild, ye olde magic shoppe, etc.), you just start creating.

 

[aco175]

There is not that much stuff out there for handling this. Maybe this would make a good idea for someone to make a book out of.

From what I understand, the cost to create takes into acount all of the time and components involved in making the item. Sure, a 'masterwork' bag as the main component shuldent cost more than 10 gold, but you may also need diamond dust to sprinkle on the bag at a certain point in the creation. Don't forget the powered etherial filcher brain you may need as well, all these strange things require gold. Maybe the bag itself is made from some strange monster's stomache. Unless you want to try and collect all of these things, you need to pay the gold to have somebody else do it. That's where the creation cost comes in.

 

[Scharlata]

[..]Pretty much if you can't point to a page in a book to back you up then don't even bother.[...]

Let her taker a look at that:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20041207a
Parts 1 to 4 are available, parts 5 to 7 are due the next tuesdays.
Maybe that helps...

Kind regards

 

[Jesus_marley]

I would have your DM come up with something appropriate (maybe as a quest item) that you could then use... For a bag of holding, maybe the cloth must be woven from the silk of a phase spider.

It is something that you could realistically expect to find in an upscale magic shop and it very well may cost upwards of 5k gold to buy.

 

[aco175]

I like the silk of the phase spider idea. You can even have a talk with your DM to see if you can defray some of the cost if you get the rare items yourself. It's a winner both ways. You get a price break and your DM gets an adventure idea. I ran some stuff like this a few times and it was well worth the savings of a few gold. I would not have more than 2 or 3 rare items and not lower the cost to less than 1/4 or 1/3 the making price.

 

[joshuacr]

The answer isn't made simple, Re:A simple answer to a simple question

Look, don't beat yourself up over it.Don't make them strangle you over this! Item creation costs include the research time and materials needed, including how to store items temporarily held in extradimentional spaces to a permanent level.

Not good enough for the anal retentive types?

Sheesh, it's fantasy! It tates time and materials to do costly spellcasting item creation! You can come up with whatever reasoning you want; you're the GM!

I hope that was good enough to allow it!

Still not good enough?
Fine!
For you non recovered (I'm a recovered anal-retentive) saps, please follow along:

Page 248 of the DMG states the bag of holding needs the casting of Leomund's secret chest. Page 247 of the PH under the spell description (third paragraph) states that, "The cost of such a chest is never less than 5000 gp."

Now, if they still need to continue and get to this point to "allow" you this, they probally have little will to imagine how this works, or why.

The explanation is, the type IV of the bag uses the same initial creation methods of the chest so mentioned in the spell, but its storage actually is in its own permanent etheral pocket dimensional space.
While not allowed in the basic spell, item creation allows other bags to use smaller and smaller types of chests in the creation and storage decisions (with the same costly materials) porportionally, thus the reduced costs, weights, and total space allowed by the spellcasting.

The "bag":
-Substitutes for the permanent "replica" and "chest" (which should be considered fused permanently with the bag or in a pocket etheral space permanently, not able to be found without very special additional magic).
-Weighs the exterior weight of the chest (as if you weighed it with no items inside).
-Is a permanent direct opening to the specific dimensional pocket in the etheral plane.

No offense, but if you're a DM and wouldn't allow an item until somebody explained why with documented proof, you are supposed to do the reasoning and imagination. I'm sorry if you find offense at this.

There you go!

Josh

OK, here's an example.
Book says that it costs 1/2 market price in materials to create a magic item.

So here's the question: What materials would be required to create my own Bag of Holding IV?

Sounds simple, but maybe not.
OK, Book says that bags are about 2 ft. by 4 ft.
and a Type 4 bag costs 10,000 GP.
So besides the minor costs for spell components used, where am I going to find cloth, (The physical component to make a bag), that is worth about 5,000 GP.

So I need a few square feet of cloth, first of all.
Even the finest cloth known to exist wouldn't cost that much.

Does that mean I have to find some obscure rare component to make up the cost gap or what?

Or do I just burn 5,000 GP and be done with it?

Now, unfortunately, my DM is anal retentive so what
I am looking for is documented proof, In the rule books, to answer these questions.

Pretty much if you can't point to a page in a book to back you up then don't even bother.
I know that is naughty word up, but that's how my DM is.
When it comes to gaming my DM doesn't believe ANYTHING , without proof.


THANKS GUYS