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<blockquote data-quote="Peter Gibbons" data-source="post: 2748289" data-attributes="member: 35541">Because scrolls, potions, and wands are all spell completion or spell trigger items; they never have non-spell prerequisites.&nbsp; Rods, wondrous items, and staves (such as a Staff of Power) do sometimes have other prerequisites.No.&nbsp; &quot;It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of a magic item, but not if the item is a scroll, potion, or wand&quot; would mean they have different rules.Note that Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Rod, Craft Staff, and Craft Wondrous Item all say you can create any magic item &quot;whose prerequisites you meet,&quot; yet you seem to recognize that doesn't mean only the creator can provide those prerequisites.&nbsp; Why, then, do you insist that only the creator must know the spell &quot;that you know&quot; to create scrolls, potions, or wands?The fact that you recognize this makes it all the more baffling that you don't recognize how the particular rule for cooperating to create magic items trumps the general rule that the creator must provide the prerequisites (whether that prerequisite is &quot;knows the spell required&quot; or &quot;has the feat required&quot; or &quot;has the necessary number of skill ranks&quot; or whatever).How is that different?&nbsp; The caster level of a wondrous item is no more &quot;fixed&quot; than that of a wand.&nbsp; The creator can set it at any level sufficient to meet the prerequisites given (and no higher than his own)...just like he can with a scroll, potion, or wand.Under your interpretation, it &quot;does not make sense&quot; that two casters could cooperate to craft a wand (spell trigger item) of a spell that is not on the spell list of the caster with the Craft Wand feat...but they could cooperate to craft a staff (also a spell trigger item) with spells that are not on the spell list of the caster with the Craft Staff feat, because the Craft Wand feat says &quot;any 4th-level or lower spell that you know,&quot; but Craft Staff says &quot;any staff whose prerequisites you meet&quot;?That is what doesn't make sense, my friend.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Peter Gibbons, post: 2748289, member: 35541"] Because scrolls, potions, and wands are all spell completion or spell trigger items; they never have non-spell prerequisites. Rods, wondrous items, and staves (such as a Staff of Power) [I]do[/I] sometimes have other prerequisites. No. "It is possible for more than one character to cooperate in the creation of a magic item, [I]but not if the item is a scroll, potion, or wand[/I]" would mean they have different rules. Note that Craft Magic Arms and Armor, Craft Rod, Craft Staff, and Craft Wondrous Item all say you can create any magic item "whose prerequisites [I][B]you[/B][/I] meet," yet you seem to recognize that doesn't mean [I]only the creator[/I] can provide those prerequisites. Why, then, do you insist that [I]only the creator[/I] must know the spell "that you know" to create scrolls, potions, or wands? The fact that you recognize this makes it all the more baffling that you don't recognize how the particular rule for cooperating to create magic items trumps the general rule that the creator must provide the prerequisites (whether that prerequisite is "knows the spell required" or "has the feat required" or "has the necessary number of skill ranks" or whatever). How is that different? The caster level of a wondrous item is no more "fixed" than that of a wand. The creator can set it at any level sufficient to meet the prerequisites given (and no higher than his own)...just like he can with a scroll, potion, or wand. Under your interpretation, it "does not make sense" that two casters could cooperate to craft a wand (spell trigger item) of a spell that is not on the spell list of the caster with the Craft Wand feat...but they [I]could[/I] cooperate to craft a staff (also a spell trigger item) with spells that are not on the spell list of the caster with the Craft Staff feat, because the Craft Wand feat says "any 4th-level or lower spell that you know," but Craft Staff says "any staff whose prerequisites you meet"? [I]That[/I] is what doesn't make sense, my friend. [/QUOTE]

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