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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 2748488" data-attributes="member: 224">Except each type of magic item neglects the &quot;others can help&quot; rule.&nbsp; It's assumed you've read that rule already.&nbsp; &nbsp; ...and as you demonstrate, that was a terrible assumption.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp;&nbsp; I think we all wish the 3.5e authors had done a better job!!Hey, don't take it badly....I missed that rule the first, second, and third time thru myself!&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />&nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh&nbsp; &nbsp; :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" />&nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /> The prerequisites for spell completion items (scrolls) are stated =&gt; it's the spell put into them.&nbsp; The caster level is assumed to be the minimum possible, as stated in the description.&nbsp; The difference you've fixated on between scrolls and rings (no CL, no &quot;spells to cast&quot;, etc) doesn't exist.Divine.&nbsp; Presumably the person that sets the caster level also sets the &quot;arcane-ness&quot; or &quot;divine-ness&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nail, post: 2748488, member: 224"] Except each type of magic item neglects the "others can help" rule. It's assumed you've read that rule already. ...and as you demonstrate, that was a terrible assumption. :) I think we [u]all[/u] wish the 3.5e authors had done a better job!! Hey, don't take it badly....I missed that rule the first, second, and third time thru myself! :confused: :heh: :D The prerequisites for spell completion items (scrolls) are stated => it's the spell put into them. The caster level is assumed to be the minimum possible, as stated in the description. The difference you've fixated on between scrolls and rings (no CL, no "spells to cast", etc) doesn't exist. Divine. [i]Presumably[/i] the person that sets the caster level also sets the "arcane-ness" or "divine-ness". [/QUOTE]

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