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<blockquote data-quote="Oxylepy" data-source="post: 7304029" data-attributes="member: 6895323">See I agree and disagree with you. So, the purpose in the quoted post is to use already existing spells to establish a base line. We also already have find familiar and unseen servant at this level. This allows a weak summon of a neglegable cr at 1st level, and both of them have a a long time for which they are summoned.Now, here is where I do agree with you, this spell exists to act as a form of entangle, which is a first level spell, however for these summons (most summoning spells) we don't see them until 3rd level. I was pretty sure everyone would say 2nd or 3rd level to me because of access to some form of summon, even just minor cannon fodder, and/or to adjust the spell. Now I'm trying for something more 2nd level anyway, as at first level I feel it would be stupid not to take this spell (which is a seriously unbalanced spell if everyone needs to take ot because it's so good for the level).In my last post on flameskulls I mentioned that I am creating information on all the undead. And the creation of a basic undead (zombie and skeleton) is described as requiring unholy water and false life, which should be enough to infuse necrotic energy into the body to animate it. Now this isn't something which the creator controls, but it is a created undead. The control aspect on the animated dead entry requires the same as creation for one made by the caster, and only one, and only lasts for 24 hours, otherwise dominate person is required.Now I haven't finished all this or posted it for review, however in my mind that's fair, even for a 1st level caster (although the information is written by an npc and could easily involve the undead making a save)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oxylepy, post: 7304029, member: 6895323"] See I agree and disagree with you. So, the purpose in the quoted post is to use already existing spells to establish a base line. We also already have find familiar and unseen servant at this level. This allows a weak summon of a neglegable cr at 1st level, and both of them have a a long time for which they are summoned. Now, here is where I do agree with you, this spell exists to act as a form of entangle, which is a first level spell, however for these summons (most summoning spells) we don't see them until 3rd level. I was pretty sure everyone would say 2nd or 3rd level to me because of access to some form of summon, even just minor cannon fodder, and/or to adjust the spell. Now I'm trying for something more 2nd level anyway, as at first level I feel it would be stupid not to take this spell (which is a seriously unbalanced spell if everyone needs to take ot because it's so good for the level). In my last post on flameskulls I mentioned that I am creating information on all the undead. And the creation of a basic undead (zombie and skeleton) is described as requiring unholy water and false life, which should be enough to infuse necrotic energy into the body to animate it. Now this isn't something which the creator controls, but it is a created undead. The control aspect on the animated dead entry requires the same as creation for one made by the caster, and only one, and only lasts for 24 hours, otherwise dominate person is required. Now I haven't finished all this or posted it for review, however in my mind that's fair, even for a 1st level caster (although the information is written by an npc and could easily involve the undead making a save) [/QUOTE]

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