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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6037008" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Well, thinking of Cantrips:&nbsp; In 2e they came up with the generic &quot;Cantrip&quot; as a spell, which eventually became Prestodigitation in 3.*.Both of these have a disclaimer that says they really can't do anything at all.&nbsp; That disclaimer is the one that says they can't duplicate the effects of any other spell.&nbsp; So long as Wish, Miracle and Limited Wish exist, there is nothing at all that isn't covered by one or more of them.That being said:&nbsp; Using the Change cantrip was fun for things like &quot;Transmute Locks to Bagels&quot;.&nbsp; So much easier than Knock. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Then there was a weather controlling spell called Cloudburst.&nbsp; If you consider just how much water comes down in the area of that spell, to produce an inch of rain in a minute (1 round), it should be renamed Flash Flood.&nbsp; In the right terrain, casting that up slope of an enemy encampment can be devastating.By the same token, Create Water produced volumes measured in cubic feet, had a range, and didn't require a container.&nbsp; One cubic yard (27 cubic feet) of water weighs a shade less than a ton, and can be dropped on people from a considerable height.And yes, Polymorph Self was incredible.&nbsp; I recall a tournament at a convention in which we had a Potion of Polymorph.&nbsp; As written, the person who consumed it could change form every round for the entire duration.&nbsp; It was insane.&nbsp; (Going through a tower held by the enemy, my Magic User riding on the back of the Monk, who was a Rhinocerus at the time.&nbsp; We entered a room that turned out to be filled with guards, and we were supposed to stop and fight them.&nbsp; We had surprisehowever, so the scene went something like this...DM:&nbsp; You surprised them.&nbsp; What do you do?Me:&nbsp; We charge across the room and through the door on the other side.DM:&nbsp; That door is closed and locked.&nbsp; Who's opening it and how?Me:&nbsp; I didn't say we were checking or opening the door, I said we were going through it.&nbsp; I'm on a rhinocerus.&nbsp; We can do this.The DM didn't forgive us for that one, but the hilarity at the table made it totally worth it.Other odd rules from 1e:&nbsp; Alignment Tongue.&nbsp; It seems that they write in this thing where people/creatures of different races and/or cultures could still communicate if they were of the same alignment.&nbsp; Surprised a few DMs with that one as well.&nbsp; (In fact, I surprised that same DM with it.&nbsp; The rhino wasn't the only thing he didn't forgive us for.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6037008, member: 6669384"] Well, thinking of Cantrips: In 2e they came up with the generic "[I]Cantrip[/I]" as a spell, which eventually became [I]Prestodigitation[/I] in 3.*. Both of these have a disclaimer that says they really can't do anything at all. That disclaimer is the one that says they can't duplicate the effects of any other spell. So long as [I]Wish, Miracle[/I] and [I]Limited Wish[/I] exist, there is nothing at all that isn't covered by one or more of them. That being said: Using the [I]Change[/I] cantrip was fun for things like "Transmute Locks to Bagels". So much easier than [I]Knock[/I]. :) Then there was a weather controlling spell called [I]Cloudburst[/I]. If you consider just how much water comes down in the area of that spell, to produce an inch of rain in a minute (1 round), it should be renamed [I]Flash Flood[/I]. In the right terrain, casting that up slope of an enemy encampment can be devastating. By the same token, [I]Create Water[/I] produced volumes measured in cubic feet, had a range, and didn't require a container. One cubic yard (27 cubic feet) of water weighs a shade less than a ton, and can be dropped on people from a considerable height. And yes, [I]Polymorph[/I] [I]Self [/I]was incredible. I recall a tournament at a convention in which we had a Potion of [I]Polymorph[/I]. As written, the person who consumed it could change form every round for the entire duration. It was insane. (Going through a tower held by the enemy, my Magic User riding on the back of the Monk, who was a Rhinocerus at the time. We entered a room that turned out to be filled with guards, and we were supposed to stop and fight them. We had surprisehowever, so the scene went something like this... DM: You surprised them. What do you do? Me: We charge across the room and through the door on the other side. DM: That door is closed and locked. Who's opening it and how? Me: I didn't say we were checking or opening the door, I said we were going [I]through[/I] it. I'm on a rhinocerus. We can do this. The DM didn't forgive us for that one, but the hilarity at the table made it totally worth it. Other odd rules from 1e: Alignment Tongue. It seems that they write in this thing where people/creatures of different races and/or cultures could still communicate if they were of the same alignment. Surprised a few DMs with that one as well. (In fact, I surprised that same DM with it. The rhino wasn't the only thing he didn't forgive us for.) [/QUOTE]

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