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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3435518" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>And this is where I think you are incorrectly overanalyzing this.</p><p></p><p>A (real) hole looks like a hole, regardless of angle. What is seen is slightly different, but it still looks like a hole.</p><p></p><p>A figment is not a 2D representation of a 3D image like the pretty pictures you posted, it is a 3D representation of a 3D image. It does this via magic.</p><p></p><p>Hence, a figment of a hole (or pit) looks like a hole. If there is a rung ladder on one side of it, characters from one angle would see the rungs, characters from a different angle would not.</p><p></p><p>I do agree with one thing you said:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Precisely.</p><p></p><p>An image of a pit (which for intents and purposes is a rectangular or cylindrical shape of the inside of an object, e.g. the ground) is viewed by all as if it were an actual pit, regardless of angle of view.</p><p></p><p>The fact that a pit is the interior side of an object (as opposed to see the exterior side of an object such as the image of a Fighter) should not change how the magic works.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And the definition of figments spells do not explicitly call out examples of such a strange 2D representation of a 3D image, hence, this non-intuitive view of it cannot be what the designers envisioned. It's magic. It is meant to fool senses, regardless of what object the image is representing.</p><p></p><p>The 2D representation might have to be done in the real world to get the proper 3D effect, but we are talking magic here. It does not have to be limited in this way, nor does the definition of figments in the book state such a thing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3435518, member: 2011"] And this is where I think you are incorrectly overanalyzing this. A (real) hole looks like a hole, regardless of angle. What is seen is slightly different, but it still looks like a hole. A figment is not a 2D representation of a 3D image like the pretty pictures you posted, it is a 3D representation of a 3D image. It does this via magic. Hence, a figment of a hole (or pit) looks like a hole. If there is a rung ladder on one side of it, characters from one angle would see the rungs, characters from a different angle would not. I do agree with one thing you said: Precisely. An image of a pit (which for intents and purposes is a rectangular or cylindrical shape of the inside of an object, e.g. the ground) is viewed by all as if it were an actual pit, regardless of angle of view. The fact that a pit is the interior side of an object (as opposed to see the exterior side of an object such as the image of a Fighter) should not change how the magic works. And the definition of figments spells do not explicitly call out examples of such a strange 2D representation of a 3D image, hence, this non-intuitive view of it cannot be what the designers envisioned. It's magic. It is meant to fool senses, regardless of what object the image is representing. The 2D representation might have to be done in the real world to get the proper 3D effect, but we are talking magic here. It does not have to be limited in this way, nor does the definition of figments in the book state such a thing. [/QUOTE]
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