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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8924737" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>I believe that a few players exist who are the way you describe in response to minimal provocation. Multiple posters have posted to say we've all DM'd for a wide range of people and almost never seen the behaviour you describe in response to the way we DM, and I don't think anyone who's posted exactly goes soft or avoids going so far even as to kill PCs. But, as I posted earlier, you are a common link between the "hundreds" of players who you claim to have seen have serious negative reactions when it does not appear to be something that happens in most groups even with open tables and I know that I at least delve into body horror at an open table and have taught numerous newbies. There are therefore two basic possibilities</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The group you have experience with and seemingly DM for is a massive outlier based on the experience of multiple DMs with significant and wide ranging experience</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The responses you are seeing are not a response to simple setbacks but a response to the way you (and possibly whoever you learned from) handle things when you are the DM.</li> </ul><p>And for a whole lot of reasons one person doing something that is within my range of experience is a <em>lot</em> easier to believe than an entire population of outliers.</p><p></p><p>And when you, as a DM, post that, in your own words, "<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/creativity.694871/post-8923683" target="_blank">they give up at best, and stop playing at worst. And this is the normal 'good' players.</a>" then what you appear to be saying is that people are stopping playing as a consequence of your DMing. Your DMing appears to be literally driving people out of the hobby.</p><p></p><p>And I (and I believe almost every poster on this board or we wouldn't be posting here) cares about the hobby and like sharing it with others. I, and I believe most others, don't want to see people driven out of the hobby by bad DMing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8924737, member: 87792"] I believe that a few players exist who are the way you describe in response to minimal provocation. Multiple posters have posted to say we've all DM'd for a wide range of people and almost never seen the behaviour you describe in response to the way we DM, and I don't think anyone who's posted exactly goes soft or avoids going so far even as to kill PCs. But, as I posted earlier, you are a common link between the "hundreds" of players who you claim to have seen have serious negative reactions when it does not appear to be something that happens in most groups even with open tables and I know that I at least delve into body horror at an open table and have taught numerous newbies. There are therefore two basic possibilities [LIST] [*]The group you have experience with and seemingly DM for is a massive outlier based on the experience of multiple DMs with significant and wide ranging experience [*]The responses you are seeing are not a response to simple setbacks but a response to the way you (and possibly whoever you learned from) handle things when you are the DM. [/LIST] And for a whole lot of reasons one person doing something that is within my range of experience is a [I]lot[/I] easier to believe than an entire population of outliers. And when you, as a DM, post that, in your own words, "[URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/creativity.694871/post-8923683']they give up at best, and stop playing at worst. And this is the normal 'good' players.[/URL]" then what you appear to be saying is that people are stopping playing as a consequence of your DMing. Your DMing appears to be literally driving people out of the hobby. And I (and I believe almost every poster on this board or we wouldn't be posting here) cares about the hobby and like sharing it with others. I, and I believe most others, don't want to see people driven out of the hobby by bad DMing. [/QUOTE]
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