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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 8930108" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>I'm puzzled how to open with a response here that doesn't come off as snark. I guess let me just say that something weird is happening here because my jaw is on the floor with incredulity at the position you're taking here. I initially thought you and [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] had some kind of miscommunication, but your post here is...pretty clear.</p><p></p><p>There is an endless abundance of examples where players have to index the shared imagined space before (a) winnowing their prospective action declarations to the subset of "legal" moves and then (b) fully considering the myriad possibilities of that "legal" move-space before settling upon a choice.</p><p></p><p><strong>DOGS IN THE VINEYARD</strong></p><p></p><p>Player: Can I Help (borrow a die from the player's future Raise to lend another player a die for their current See or Raise) Brother Isaiah here with some covering fire? Let loose with my Colt Dragoon so he can get from the kill-box of the Faith House porch, with the two other soldiers with long guns in an overwatch position, over to me to help me with this soldier (the fiction, <em>being in kill box on the Faith House porch while 2 x Fort Denning soldiers rain down fire from above</em> - and 2 dice equaling 12 total to represent that, that Brother Isaiah's player has to See in the current conflict)?</p><p></p><p>GM or other Player: You're tangled up in a grapple with the Fort Denning Soldier, battling for wrist control and sprawling to not get taken down. I don't see it.</p><p></p><p><strong>D&D 4E SKILL CHALLENGE (to track down the Warlock and attack him in his lair before he becomes aware and can ready his defenses)</strong></p><p></p><p>GM: <em>The entrance to the subterranean complex beneath Tarquin’s estate is profane as it cuts through the heart of the family cemetery and dredges the bowels of the crypt.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The chain is slack and the wrought-iron gates are narrowly open, swinging subtly in a chill breeze. The mausoleum stares at you, well downrange of the long avenue that bisects the grave plots. Vultures look on like sentinels in the trees. The stench of carrion does not hang in the air. Hunger does not direct them. They are in service to another master.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The litanies required to circumvent the main avenue by walking the perimeter that is the ancient family plots are inscribed on the gravestones in “the old tongue.” Either deeds of the family or the sacred rites and hymns must be delivered unbroken, lest the spectral guardians of this place will cast you as grave robbers and defilers whether it be true or not.</em></p><p></p><p>PLAYER: <instead of attempting a ridiculous, degenerate move that defies rather than indexes the fiction like "ok, I'm going to do a bunch of burpees (Athletics) or a fancy card trick (Thievery) to impress the sentinel vultures or spectral guardians into quiescence", they declare the following action> <em><strong>CHANVATI </strong>has visited the family crypt on several occasions in the past, for no death of a significant relative has gone unmarked by the rites and hymns passed down among House Audaseie in maintenance of the family deeds and achievements. But though he knows the old tongue, he is no Custodian of the Annals. Is his reading true, and does his pleasant tenor carry the proper nuance?" > History check</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>[HR][/HR]</em></p><p></p><p>I'm confident I could cite endless examples of this in pretty much any system I could think of.</p><p></p><p>Am I missing something? Are you and pemerton referring to something conceptually different, perhaps?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 8930108, member: 6696971"] I'm puzzled how to open with a response here that doesn't come off as snark. I guess let me just say that something weird is happening here because my jaw is on the floor with incredulity at the position you're taking here. I initially thought you and [USER=42582]@pemerton[/USER] had some kind of miscommunication, but your post here is...pretty clear. There is an endless abundance of examples where players have to index the shared imagined space before (a) winnowing their prospective action declarations to the subset of "legal" moves and then (b) fully considering the myriad possibilities of that "legal" move-space before settling upon a choice. [B]DOGS IN THE VINEYARD[/B] Player: Can I Help (borrow a die from the player's future Raise to lend another player a die for their current See or Raise) Brother Isaiah here with some covering fire? Let loose with my Colt Dragoon so he can get from the kill-box of the Faith House porch, with the two other soldiers with long guns in an overwatch position, over to me to help me with this soldier (the fiction, [I]being in kill box on the Faith House porch while 2 x Fort Denning soldiers rain down fire from above[/I] - and 2 dice equaling 12 total to represent that, that Brother Isaiah's player has to See in the current conflict)? GM or other Player: You're tangled up in a grapple with the Fort Denning Soldier, battling for wrist control and sprawling to not get taken down. I don't see it. [B]D&D 4E SKILL CHALLENGE (to track down the Warlock and attack him in his lair before he becomes aware and can ready his defenses)[/B] GM: [I]The entrance to the subterranean complex beneath Tarquin’s estate is profane as it cuts through the heart of the family cemetery and dredges the bowels of the crypt. The chain is slack and the wrought-iron gates are narrowly open, swinging subtly in a chill breeze. The mausoleum stares at you, well downrange of the long avenue that bisects the grave plots. Vultures look on like sentinels in the trees. The stench of carrion does not hang in the air. Hunger does not direct them. They are in service to another master. The litanies required to circumvent the main avenue by walking the perimeter that is the ancient family plots are inscribed on the gravestones in “the old tongue.” Either deeds of the family or the sacred rites and hymns must be delivered unbroken, lest the spectral guardians of this place will cast you as grave robbers and defilers whether it be true or not.[/I] PLAYER: <instead of attempting a ridiculous, degenerate move that defies rather than indexes the fiction like "ok, I'm going to do a bunch of burpees (Athletics) or a fancy card trick (Thievery) to impress the sentinel vultures or spectral guardians into quiescence", they declare the following action> [I][B]CHANVATI [/B]has visited the family crypt on several occasions in the past, for no death of a significant relative has gone unmarked by the rites and hymns passed down among House Audaseie in maintenance of the family deeds and achievements. But though he knows the old tongue, he is no Custodian of the Annals. Is his reading true, and does his pleasant tenor carry the proper nuance?" > History check [HR][/HR][/I] I'm confident I could cite endless examples of this in pretty much any system I could think of. Am I missing something? Are you and pemerton referring to something conceptually different, perhaps? [/QUOTE]
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