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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 1690945" data-attributes="member: 1241">so…?Space/Reach: 15 ft/10 ft (20 ft with bite)yikes!  Good thing you caught that!  The only thing I can think of is that I must have been focusing in on the d12 for the Hit Dice that I changed it to… I must have confused myself (which is something new entirely, I swear to you) into thinking that it was a 12-HD monster – the BAB and saves I wrote down seem to confirm that.  If you say the attack values are correct here, then I must have later looked and seen that I had a 15-HD Dragon and just calculated the BAB off of that rather than what it wrote down.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  so these are right then?:Full Attack: Bite +21 melee (3d10+8), 2 claws +19 melee (1d10+4), 2 wings +19 melee (2d10+4), 2 stomps +19 melee (2d6+4), and tail slap +19 melee (2d8+4)and I think I will be removing Improved Grab in favor of Snatch, and removing Flurry of Blows in favor of the above attack routine with Multiattack.I was thinking before about the possibility of giving it a Crush attack.  Removing the above attack forms might be more than enough justification for adding Crush.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />I like it so far.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  do we need to include the caster level 15, or “Creatures making a successful saving throw, must roll new saves each round they are in the area of effect.”?And how’s this for the second part:This sound also distorts the way an affected creature speaks: words slide, shift, and blend, producing odd hybrids that make communication very difficult. Any affected creature trying to speak or cast a spell cast a spell with a verbal component must succeed on a DC X Concentration check.  The check DC is Charisma?-based.  This also cancels any tongues or comprehend languages effect while a creature is affected.Additionally, is there a way to incorporate this passage into the ability?:“in addition, it distorts perception, causing hallucinations and strangely skewed judgment of distance: objects, or parts of objects, may appear much closer or further away than they actually are (this translates into a -3 penalty on the attack roll of anyone suffering from this confused warping of depth perception).”you got it.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />you got me.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I think it is about time to take the vorpal discussion to the Rules forum for input from more people: <a href="https://www.enworld.org/index.php?threads/96816/" target="_blank">click the link!</a>Present your cases there and we’ll, eh, let the people decide.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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