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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BOZ" data-source="post: 2398755" data-attributes="member: 1241">oddly enough, the duration was longer in the older edition.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  but i don't see why a lesser creature should have a more powerful ability.  should this be Con-based sine thouls are living creatures?  i don't know if OD&D elves were immune to paralysis in general, or just to thoul paralysis.i'm inclined to agree with orius, though i think it might be better higher than 1 (maybe 2, or even 3).good man!  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  not that i'm inclined to throw away the older versions or anything...hmm, and i think it was Erica that gave them Str 15 Dex 14 Con 18 Int 6 Wis 11 Cha 10 in the CC.not sure that i would want to give them a Str lower than hobbys and ghouls, but should they be weaker?  Dex could be 14 as Orius suggests, between hobby and ghoul/troll.  Con 17 and 18 seem a bit high, though that maybe be the troll influence speaking.  2E Int was 5-7 (Rules Cyclopedia had 6) which matches the troll aspect.  Wis 11 and Cha 10 seem fine, though we could always go lower if balance seems to demand it.i was considering this too.  however, trolls and ghouls are both CE.  tough call.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  they do associate with hobgoblins mostly though...</blockquote>

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