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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grazzt" data-source="post: 4356389" data-attributes="member: 7">Skills, rather skill points, and the number of feats got to be a pain (at least for me) after a while...especially for the really high level monsters. It just seemed kinda pointless after a while to be trying to spend that many skill points for skills a monster is likely never going to use. (Like- does it really matter how many skill points the Black Beast of Arrrrghhh has in Craft? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)Yeah- some of the special abilities, especially for conversions, were a bit difficult at times to get a handle on...but those could be reworked into the system with some tinkering. Honestly- for me, it was just the skill points, synergy bonuses, number of feats (again, really at high levels), and all the other fiddly parts of the math (size bonuses to grapple, etc) that eventually just got to make it more like a math exercise.Yeah- monsters by role is interesting. I'm ok with it I guess. I just really like the speed with which you can whip up monsters in 4e, and the fact that just like the pre 3.x days you can design monsters and give them powers/special abiilites that #1 do not have to replicate spell effects, and #2 the PCs don't have access to.</blockquote>