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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 3989408" data-attributes="member: 1190">This is a very Platonic thread. What is "humanoid-ness"I think of three (maybe 4) physical types:humanoid (those creatures that share enough physical resemblance to a human that they tend to be viewed as "him / her" or "person" rather that "it" Chester Centaur is a "he" but Mr. Ed is an it.)beast (animals and the like. it's basic form is stooped or quadrupedal (multipedal) and it tends to be though of as a "not person" even if ultimately it is smarter than most people)(vermin as a type is possible too but I think it could be a variant of beast)amorph (those creatures with a basic form that defies clear description, either due to lack of clear definition (oozes) or lack of recognizable order (aberrations)more complex than this and I think we are splitting hairs. What is the real difference in 3.5 between fey, giants, humanoids, and monstrous humanoids. All four are anthropomorphic to a great extent, possess greater than animal intellect / reasoning, and the ability to fashion and use tools. The second and fourth are distinguished only by size and animalistic features respectively; the first by origin.in 3.5 we have animal, vermin, magical beast, and dragon all of which describe the same basic shape and principle: animal or animalistic creatures that are not anthropomorphic (perhaps therionomoprhic) and generally not tool using by nature. the latter two are generally smarter and more magical but that is generally a result of other aspects of their origin.aberrations run too broad a range to even work as a category (elan?) while oozes are clear.construct, elemental, fey, outsider, plant, and undead are all descriptors or origins.as I posted in another thread, I think the following breakdown (or one very similar) is on the way.Type A (Origin): aberrant, artificial, elemental, fey, immortal, mortal, plant, and undeadType B (Form): amorph, beast, humanoidExamples:Aberrant - amorph (beholder), beast (aboleth), humanoid (mindflayer)Artificial - amorph (raggamoffyn), beast (effigy), humanoid (warforged)Elemental - amorph (water wierd), beast (arrowhawk), humanoid (flame archon)Fey - amorph (will'o'wisp), beast (unicorn), humanoid (eladrin)Immortal - amorph (lemure), beast (nightmare), humanoid (spined devil)Mortal - amorph (black pudding), beast (wyvern), humanoid (dwarf)Plant - amorph (violet fungus), beast (phantom fungus), humanoid (myconid)Undead - amorph (blood ooze), beast (jahi), humanoid (lich)just my .02</blockquote>

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