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<blockquote data-quote="kreynolds" data-source="post: 550892" data-attributes="member: 2829">Under DR in MMII. DR in MMI did not spefically state that a weapon needed a magical enhancement bonus, and many people assumed a natural enhancement bonus was enough. We now know otherwise. They are different.That's dependant upon whether or not adamantine does in fact get the hardness and hit point increase from its natural enhancement bonus. If it does, then I would have to agree with all of you, as that would make sense.Neither have you, so we're even. I already stated that I'm not aware of anything that says it receives the hardness and hit point increase from its natural enhancement bonus as a magical weapon with a magic enhancement bonus would.The DMG says the very same thing in the Magic Items chapter at the beginning of the Magic Weapons section. Adamantine does not possess a magical enhancement bonus. It goes away in an Antimagic Field. To assume that it receives an increase in hardness and hit points is just as risky as it was for many people to assume that a natural enhancement bonus can overcome DR simply because the word &quot;enhancement&quot; is in there.I agree that it wasn't well defined, but from many people's persepctive, it was clear that you didn't always need a magic weapon to overcome DR. Just &quot;usually&quot;. I think that was the biggest point of confusion because it seemed to leave a window open for adamantine.I find your argument to be only your opinion as well, but that's the point of a discussion. That was also rude. We are having a civil conversation here, and I would like to keep it that way.If adamantine weapons receive a hardness and hit point increase from their not-magical enhancement bonus, then yes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kreynolds, post: 550892, member: 2829"] Under DR in MMII. DR in MMI did not spefically state that a weapon needed a magical enhancement bonus, and many people assumed a natural enhancement bonus was enough. We now know otherwise. They are different. That's dependant upon whether or not adamantine does in fact get the hardness and hit point increase from its natural enhancement bonus. If it does, then I would have to agree with all of you, as that would make sense. Neither have you, so we're even. I already stated that I'm not aware of anything that says it receives the hardness and hit point increase from its natural enhancement bonus as a magical weapon with a magic enhancement bonus would. The DMG says the very same thing in the Magic Items chapter at the beginning of the Magic Weapons section. Adamantine does not possess a magical enhancement bonus. It goes away in an Antimagic Field. To assume that it receives an increase in hardness and hit points is just as risky as it was for many people to assume that a natural enhancement bonus can overcome DR simply because the word "enhancement" is in there. I agree that it wasn't well defined, but from many people's persepctive, it was clear that you didn't always need a magic weapon to overcome DR. Just "usually". I think that was the biggest point of confusion because it seemed to leave a window open for adamantine. I find your argument to be only your opinion as well, but that's the point of a discussion. That was also rude. We are having a civil conversation here, and I would like to keep it that way. If adamantine weapons receive a hardness and hit point increase from their not-magical enhancement bonus, then yes. [/QUOTE]

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