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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 354399" data-attributes="member: 2011">Well, actually, the Concentration check is 52. Still extremely difficult to make.If the save is made, it becomes a 34. A Druid who keys on Concentration could have as high as +20 at 13th level, so it is fairly possible to make the Concentration roll if he makes the Save.But, as a Druid, would you cast Creeping Doom in the middle of a normal combat?I wouldn't. It takes too long to cast.I would only cast it with several Protection From Elements spells up (Fire and Lightning being the first two obvious choices) and possibly from Concealment.In fact, I would get the Silent Spell feat and cast it from afar in the woods at level 15. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It is more of an ambush spell than it is a normal combat spell unless your opponents are really pre-occupied, or you are far enough away that they might not hear your spell casting in combat.Also, if you do cast it in normal combat, there is a fair chance that the combatant types will not recognize it. One round spells tend to be those wimpy Summoning spells. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> So, if the enemy spell casters have lower initiatives than the enemy combatant types, there is a good chance that only the enemy spell casters can stop it. Pick and choose your battlegrounds.</blockquote>

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