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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7150752" data-attributes="member: 6801845">If you have an option that doesn't penalize characters for having more attacks, I'd be curious to see details.&nbsp; But what you describe just sounds like high level fighters become extremely unlucky.&nbsp; A 20th level fighter action surging has at least a 40% chance of fumbling.&nbsp; His halfling rogue buddy?&nbsp; He's probably firing from the shadows with advantage and rerolling the first 1 for around a 1.3% chance. The wizard that never rolls an attack never fumbles.But the way most people implement the rule the fighters in the group are far more likely to fumble than any other class.When I do house rules, one of the things I ask is whether or not it's going to significantly harm one class or build over all other classes.&nbsp; Fumbles don't qualify.If I wanted to throw this kind of random penalty at my players (I don't) it would be a separate roll any time you take any action in combat.&nbsp; The more daring/dangerous the action, the more likely it is to cause a penalty.&nbsp; The higher level you are, the less likely you are to be penalized.Fumbling on a 1 has it backwards.&nbsp; The higher level you are, the more attacks you have, the more likely you are to fumble.&nbsp; I try not to be overly critical of what other people find fun, but it's a dumb rule.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7150752, member: 6801845"] If you have an option that doesn't penalize characters for having more attacks, I'd be curious to see details. But what you describe just sounds like high level fighters become extremely unlucky. A 20th level fighter action surging has at least a 40% chance of fumbling. His halfling rogue buddy? He's probably firing from the shadows with advantage and rerolling the first 1 for around a 1.3% chance. The wizard that never rolls an attack never fumbles. But the way most people implement the rule the fighters in the group are far more likely to fumble than any other class. When I do house rules, one of the things I ask is whether or not it's going to significantly harm one class or build over all other classes. Fumbles don't qualify. [I]If[/I] I wanted to throw this kind of random penalty at my players (I don't) it would be a separate roll any time you take any action in combat. The more daring/dangerous the action, the more likely it is to cause a penalty. The higher level you are, the less likely you are to be penalized. Fumbling on a 1 has it backwards. The higher level you are, the more attacks you have, the more likely you are to fumble. I try not to be overly critical of what other people find fun, but it's a dumb rule. [/QUOTE]

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