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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6031419" data-attributes="member: 37579">Why does on fighter in your argument start with an 18 strength and the other start with a 16 (or a 14 and weapon focus)?Also, a level 20 character might have items and buffs that allow rerolls and do-overs and have all kinds of death avoidance bonuses. So fumbling is less of a character ending moment. And, looking at the chance of fumbling itself, 50% for L1 and 75% for L20 still ends up being a total chance of 2.5% and 3.75%. The odds of fumbling increase by a whopping 1.25% meaning you'll fumble one extra time in a 100 full attacks. How many encounters do you plan on running at L20? The game assumes 13 encounters per level, and if each was 4 rounds that would only be little over 50 attacks, and not every one would be a full attack.Som between L20 and the theoretical L21 the fighter would have a 50/50 chance of fumbling one extra time more than he did at L1. And then only if they fought nothing but high AC pit fiends.</blockquote>