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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3978917" data-attributes="member: 957">I'm gonna drop out.But I just want to stress that I honestly am not insulting anyone.If my thoughts were of an insulting nature I'd say that we DO need this system because so many people are just too dumb to handle the great 3X system.  That is not remotely my point.  My point is that I really deeply believe that 99%+ of the people reading this can easily handle the system if they just want to.  And I honestly think that giving it up has greater costs than may be being discussed.  If you want less math then play WoW.  WoW does all the math for you.  And I'm not saying 4E is becoming WoW.  That is a completely different argument that I for one do not at all buy.  But D&D has so much more to offer than WoW because it is such a rich system that builds on the bedrock assumption of play in real time with intelligent and imaginative people who are willing to work with the mechanics and squeeze every drop of an alternate reality out of it.  Giving up that richness just to make it quicker and easier is giving up a portion of the very things that make it so much better than WoW.  And I really truly believe that even a lot of people who think easier sounds like a great deal now, will, in time, find themselves wondering what just isn't quite the same.</blockquote>