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<blockquote data-quote="Revinor" data-source="post: 4556624" data-attributes="member: 25037">Looking at base attacks - let's use boar verus ranger with 18 str, focus, longsword with 1d10 critical magic enhancement and having quarry. It should give advantage to beast - I think there is a lot more feats and options which can make ranger better in this comparison, but let's use this for a starters.At first level we will getbeast - +5 hit, 1d8+3+2+1d8, which gives 14/21 dmg.ranger - +7 hit, 1d8+4+1+1d8, which gives 14/21 dmgBoth attacks are roughly comparable.At 30 lvl we getbeast - +34 hit,&nbsp; 2d8+7+2+3d8, which gives 30/49 dmgranger, +29 hit, 2d8+8+3+6+3d8 + (6d10), which gives 38/88 dmg.Beast dmg can be slightly higher with predator strike (wis modifier).It seems that in the span of those levels, beast is getting better and better to-hit (due to 1/level bonus being better than 1/2levels + magic), while trading off considerable amount of damage with criticals. With epic characters having crit range of 19-20, this is around 3 dpr difference. On the other hand, +5 to hit from beast can mean around 6 dpr difference.This comes to the question - do you prefer having +5 to hit, or 19+ crit range and 6 dices of extra damage on critical. It is probably more balanced than I thought.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Revinor, post: 4556624, member: 25037"] Looking at base attacks - let's use boar verus ranger with 18 str, focus, longsword with 1d10 critical magic enhancement and having quarry. It should give advantage to beast - I think there is a lot more feats and options which can make ranger better in this comparison, but let's use this for a starters. At first level we will get beast - +5 hit, 1d8+3+2+1d8, which gives 14/21 dmg. ranger - +7 hit, 1d8+4+1+1d8, which gives 14/21 dmg Both attacks are roughly comparable. At 30 lvl we get beast - +34 hit, 2d8+7+2+3d8, which gives 30/49 dmg ranger, +29 hit, 2d8+8+3+6+3d8 + (6d10), which gives 38/88 dmg. Beast dmg can be slightly higher with predator strike (wis modifier). It seems that in the span of those levels, beast is getting better and better to-hit (due to 1/level bonus being better than 1/2levels + magic), while trading off considerable amount of damage with criticals. With epic characters having crit range of 19-20, this is around 3 dpr difference. On the other hand, +5 to hit from beast can mean around 6 dpr difference. This comes to the question - do you prefer having +5 to hit, or 19+ crit range and 6 dices of extra damage on critical. It is probably more balanced than I thought. [/QUOTE]

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