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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7874498" data-attributes="member: 93670">Like [USER=6788934]@Einlanzer0[/USER]&nbsp; mentions, 5e does indeed do a lot of things right, the problems imo fall into three categories.&nbsp; The first category is things like how PCs are practically indestructible short of a failed disintegrate save &amp; how any monster not just &quot;way beyond the PCs current capability&quot; like an ancient dragon vrs a party of level 3PCs falls into a grouping of either&quot;toothless and not scary to a party not suffering from lobotomized players&quot; or &quot;capable of instantly killing someone&quot; with almost no middle ground.&nbsp; This is a forgivable design choice where I think they just went too far.&nbsp; A player shouldn't need to have the entire table <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnsuspectinglySoused" target="_blank">unexpectedly soused</a>&nbsp; in order to find themselves a little nervous in combat about anything other than &quot;yea even half damage from a super nova still kills me&quot;The second category is frustrating things that annoy me like the fact that damage types are practically irrelevant as long as you aren't dealing bludgeoning piercing or slashing damage with a nonmagical weapon.&nbsp; the massive overvaluing of charisma probably falls here too.The third category is completely unforgivable things that are more difficult to believe were accidental unforeseen things that escaped basic sanity checking than it is to believe WotC is capable of being that bad at sanity checking.&nbsp; Tiny hut, heat metal, banish, the number of front loaded sorcerer or warlock abilities that just that completely avoided sanity checking as is or by RAW(especially if paired with things like tiny hut abuse), etc.Somewhere in those three is the devaluing of int &amp; strength mixed with the elevation of dex &amp; charisma.Something I do that helps with the indestructable problem in my non-AL game is to tell players do not take average... Max+con at 1st then&nbsp; roll HP&amp; add con, but if you roll less than your strength mod use strength mod+con for that level... healing potions are 2hd+2 not 2d4+2... &amp; medium/heavy armor grants dr equal to half/full proficiency bonus against physical attacks.&nbsp; It results in a 3.5 style curve where things that should be crunchy (ie heavy armor strength builds) can take a huge beating &amp; still reasonably recover but the light &amp; no armor wearing types would just get knocked flat in the dirt.&nbsp; Even at level seven the wizard scorlock &amp; rogue frequently say things like &quot;wow, that's more HP than I even have max.&quot; (obviously I use more powerful foes to match)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7874498, member: 93670"] Like [USER=6788934]@Einlanzer0[/USER] mentions, 5e does indeed do a lot of things right, the problems imo fall into three categories. The first category is things like how PCs are practically indestructible short of a failed disintegrate save & how any monster not just "way beyond the PCs current capability" like an ancient dragon vrs a party of level 3PCs falls into a grouping of either"toothless and not scary to a party not suffering from lobotomized players" or "capable of instantly killing someone" with almost no middle ground. This is a forgivable design choice where I think they just went too far. A player shouldn't need to have the entire table [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnsuspectinglySoused']unexpectedly soused[/URL] in order to find themselves a little nervous in combat about anything other than "yea even half damage from a super nova still kills me" The second category is frustrating things that annoy me like the fact that damage types are practically irrelevant as long as you aren't dealing bludgeoning piercing or slashing damage with a nonmagical weapon. the massive overvaluing of charisma probably falls here too. The third category is completely unforgivable things that are more difficult to believe were accidental unforeseen things that escaped basic sanity checking than it is to believe WotC is capable of being[I] that[/I] bad at sanity checking. Tiny hut, heat metal, banish, the number of front loaded sorcerer or warlock abilities that just that completely avoided sanity checking as is or by RAW(especially if paired with things like tiny hut abuse), etc. Somewhere in those three is the devaluing of int & strength mixed with the elevation of dex & charisma. Something I do that helps with the indestructable problem in my non-AL game is to tell players do not take average... Max+con at 1st then roll HP& add con, but if you roll less than your strength mod use strength mod+con for that level... healing potions are 2hd+2 not 2d4+2... & medium/heavy armor grants dr equal to half/full proficiency bonus against physical attacks. It results in a 3.5 style curve where things that should be crunchy (ie heavy armor strength builds) can take a huge beating & still reasonably recover but the light & no armor wearing types would just get knocked flat in the dirt. Even at level seven the wizard scorlock & rogue frequently say things like "wow, that's more HP than I even have [I]max.[/I]" (obviously I use more powerful foes to match) [/QUOTE]

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