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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7876974" data-attributes="member: 93670">It was more of an example.&nbsp; Take a 15 int wizard&nbsp; who may have spent years learning magic &amp; arcana proficiency&nbsp; based on this bit from the wizard class on phb112 &quot;Though the casting of a typical spell requires merely the utterance of a few strange words, fleeting gestures, and sometimes a pinch or clump o f exotic materials, these surface components barely hint at the expertise attained after years of apprenticeship and countless hours of study.&quot; and a rogue with 10 int &amp; arcana expertise.&nbsp; At Level 1 the wizard has +4 arcana... so does the rogue.&nbsp; at 5th the wizard spent his level 4 ASI on +2 int &amp; has +6 arcana, the rogue took an awesome feat and also has +6arcana.&nbsp; At 9 the wizard took an awesome feat and has +7 arcana to the rogue's +8 arcana with things only getting worse from there.&nbsp; If the rogue's arcana were limited to the magical wards/traps/locks that made expertise acrana worth it,&nbsp; then the wizard's much more broad&nbsp; arcana knowledge would still shine when it came to being able to&nbsp; &quot;recall lore about spells, magic items, eldritch symbols, magical traditions, the planes of existence, and the inhabitants of those planes.(phb177)&quot;.&nbsp; In that context the theoretical physicist/high school math teacher &amp; &quot;Math&quot; skill analogy&nbsp; works perfect.&nbsp; Also I'm not sure I agree on the &quot;legendary creature&quot; tag just because it might work in FR where there realy aren't any universities comperable to modern universities...&nbsp; Other settings have high end universities like the arcanix/library of korranberg/etc where he would fit right in as another professor*.*not to belittle him, just he was a professor &amp; those universities fulfill a similar role as the colleges he was a professor at.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7876974, member: 93670"] It was more of an example. Take a 15 int wizard who may have spent years learning magic & arcana proficiency based on this bit from the wizard class on phb112 "[SIZE=1][I]Though the casting of a typical spell requires merely the utterance of a few strange words, fleeting gestures, and sometimes a pinch or clump o f exotic materials,[U] these surface components barely hint at the expertise attained after years of apprenticeship and countless hours of study[/U].[/I][/SIZE]" and a rogue with 10 int & arcana expertise. At Level 1 the wizard has +4 arcana... so does the rogue. at 5th the wizard spent his level 4 ASI on +2 int & has +6 arcana, the rogue took an awesome feat and also has +6arcana. At 9 the wizard took an awesome feat and has +7 arcana to the rogue's +8 arcana with things only getting worse from there. If the rogue's arcana were limited to the magical wards/traps/locks that made expertise acrana worth it, then the wizard's much more broad arcana knowledge would still shine when it came to being able to "[I]recall lore about spells, magic items, eldritch symbols, magical traditions, the planes of existence, and the inhabitants of those planes.(phb177)[/I]". In that context the theoretical physicist/high school math teacher & "Math" skill analogy works perfect. Also I'm not sure I agree on the "legendary creature" tag just because it might work in FR where there realy aren't any universities comperable to modern universities... Other settings have high end universities like the arcanix/library of korranberg/etc where he would fit right in as another professor*. *not to belittle him, just he was a professor & those universities fulfill a similar role as the colleges he was a professor at. [/QUOTE]

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