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<blockquote data-quote="prospero63" data-source="post: 4578325" data-attributes="member: 16014">Per the rules for spot checks, yes. That said, I don't think there's any problem with spotting someone or something, without need of a spot check at all. IOW, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying &quot;100 feet (or 1000 feet), open field, no spot check is necessary to see them&quot;. Similarly, I know in our games we frequently set the base DC for things well below the book when it doesn't make sense. For example, the base DC to see something out in the open might well be a DC0, assuming you need a spot check in that situation at all. IMHO sometimes I think folks place too much emphasis on skill checks for every last little thing. Still... I don't think I want to mess with who/whatever can make a DC164 any check... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Oh, and it is the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/spot.htm" target="_blank">rule of the game</a>:In 3.5 I can't find the &quot;base DC 20&quot; rule, but it's clearly in the 3.0 DMG. Heck, maybe they removed it since 20 seems an awful arbitrary DC anyway and the intent for 3.5 was for the DM to determine the base DC on their own (so if they wanted to make it a DC0, they can).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="prospero63, post: 4578325, member: 16014"] Per the rules for spot checks, yes. That said, I don't think there's any problem with spotting someone or something, without need of a spot check at all. IOW, I don't think there is anything wrong with saying "100 feet (or 1000 feet), open field, no spot check is necessary to see them". Similarly, I know in our games we frequently set the base DC for things well below the book when it doesn't make sense. For example, the base DC to see something out in the open might well be a DC0, assuming you need a spot check in that situation at all. IMHO sometimes I think folks place too much emphasis on skill checks for every last little thing. Still... I don't think I want to mess with who/whatever can make a DC164 any check... ;) Oh, and it is the [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/spot.htm"]rule of the game[/URL]: In 3.5 I can't find the "base DC 20" rule, but it's clearly in the 3.0 DMG. Heck, maybe they removed it since 20 seems an awful arbitrary DC anyway and the intent for 3.5 was for the DM to determine the base DC on their own (so if they wanted to make it a DC0, they can). [/QUOTE]

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